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Do we even know if Ferrari complained to the stewards? Unless you have a stewards report stating that they received a complaint from Ferrari then it is just idle and pointless speculation.Just_a_fan wrote:Or Ferrari should spend more time developing their car and less time complaining to the stewards, then their drivers wouldn't need to play bumper cars quite so much...
Then why do they only penalize this one weave out of the entire race that had multiple instances of breaking this rule when they have so much information available? Everyone keeps avoiding my comment about universal and fair implementation of the rules and would rather focus on Hamilton bashing, or forum-member bashing.andrew wrote:Do we even know if Ferrari complained to the stewards? Unless you have a stewards report stating that they received a complaint from Ferrari then it is just idle and pointless speculation.
The stewards have a hell of a lot more information to hand than a single TV feed like we do. It is highly likely that they saw the incident in question and didn't need any prompting from any team.
Exactly. Nobody has reported on this. It is just something Joe Saward concocted, and his pro-McLaren stance and dislike for Alonso are obvious to anyone who has read his blog for sometime.andrew wrote:Do we even know if Ferrari complained to the stewards? Unless you have a stewards report stating that they received a complaint from Ferrari then it is just idle and pointless speculation.
Aside from the start when EVERYONE was weaving and changing line I don't think there were any other serious instances which deserved a penalty. I think you are wrong in saying that there is Hamilton or forum member bashing but it is true that Hamilton seems to make the same mistakes over and over again.volarchico wrote:Then why do they only penalize this one weave out of the entire race that had multiple instances of breaking this rule when they have so much information available? Everyone keeps avoiding my comment about universal and fair implementation of the rules and would rather focus on Hamilton bashing, or forum-member bashing.andrew wrote:Do we even know if Ferrari complained to the stewards? Unless you have a stewards report stating that they received a complaint from Ferrari then it is just idle and pointless speculation.
The stewards have a hell of a lot more information to hand than a single TV feed like we do. It is highly likely that they saw the incident in question and didn't need any prompting from any team.
One more time: NO ONE is complaining that Hamilton got a penalty. He broke the rule, he deserved it! Now why didn't everyone else who broke the same rule get the same penalty? AND if it was so obvious that he broke this rule, why didn't get a racing penalty instead of waiting for AFTER the race?
andrew wrote: zeph - must not comment on Joe Saward, must not comment on Joe Saward....
If it doesn't cause a collision then yes is is usually overlooked. However sometimes they will punish the driver if he causes an accident (e.g. Ralf Hockenheim 03).Giblet wrote:None taken I was speaking facetiously. What I'm trying to say is that it seems to lessen what pole means if you are not allowed to defend it and position your car where you want.
Depends how one views it I guess and what track it is at. On a track with a short run to the corner there is no tow, so is it a race with slow/accelerating cars, or an overtaking scenario?
Like a lot of times over the years with confusing safety car rules and white lines we have found the rules to be gray at best, and start seems to be a little gray as well.
How many drivers at the start would be penalized every single race if you could only move once on the start. The leader should be exempt like everyone else behind them appears to be as well at the start. Penalties are rarely given out from the start in my experience as a viewer, even for rear ending and wing chops that would draw penalties later in the race.
Just how I view it I guess. Mileage may vary.
Well, uncle Joe has done some more digging and found that:zeph wrote:Exactly. Nobody has reported on this. It is just something Joe Saward concocted, and his pro-McLaren stance and dislike for Alonso are obvious to anyone who has read his blog for sometime.andrew wrote:Do we even know if Ferrari complained to the stewards? Unless you have a stewards report stating that they received a complaint from Ferrari then it is just idle and pointless speculation.
There was no complaint from any team. The decision to look at the incidents came from Race Director Charlie Whiting. The fact that one decision was listed as “following a report from the Race Director” and the other was not seems to have been a clerical error.
