Frustrated Montezemolo threatens to quit F1

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Are we tired of Montezemolo's empty threats to leave?

Yes, get out, or shut up!
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73%
No, Ferrari are essential to F1. FiA and FOTA need to listen to them.
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Total votes: 60

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Just to see a Ferrari at the brickyard would make me throw away an entire F1 season, what do you think Don?
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xpensive wrote:Just to see a Ferrari at the brickyard would make me throw away an entire F1 season, what do you think Don?
ALthough I have followed and loved F1 since the 1960's, it is like a marriage of many years now -- passion is gone, only fondness remains. Previously, I'd stay up all night to watch a "flyaway"" race. Now I tape them. F1 is, IMHO, more and more just a marketing tool and a political exercise. Worse, it is fast becoming a spec series. I just can not generate passion for a racing series so divorced from reality. "Back in the day," I'd race my 409 Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Later, my son raced a Camaro on weekends. And both of us followed racing weekends doing what F1 does not allow -- rebuild transmissions, modify our engines for more power. How can a racer -- even a rank amateur like me -- identify with F1?

So . . . Yes, I'd give up a season of F1 to see Ferrari run Indy AND LeMans.
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

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Seems we share the same xperiences here Don, F1 has lost its charm now and a four-pot formula wont make it any better.
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xpensive wrote:Seems we share the same xperiences here Don, F1 has lost its charm now and a four-pot formula wont make it any better.
Indeed. In my mind -- and I think millions of casual fans would agree -- racing still centers around the engine -- not the aero. And 4 cylinders signify F2, F3, FF, etc. F1 is -- or should be -- different. tech limits should be more -- not less -- flexible. If there was a sincere desire to be "green," F1 would allow each team a set amount of fuel and let them use their genius to build a winner. Oh well, at least there is some good news on the international front tonight. . . [NO politics here!]
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donskar wrote:If there was a sincere desire to be "green," F1 would allow each team a set amount of fuel and let them use their genius to build a winner.


I've often had that very same idea.
donskar wrote:Oh well, at least there is some good news on the international front tonight. . . [NO politics here!]
Indeed, indeed, indeed. :D

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Almost like my old idea of a fuelflow limitation and nothing else?
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xpensive wrote:Just wonder how that bell will ring when a german driver like Vettel takes a seat with the Scuderia, ......
It seems that Ferrari have been sniffing around Rosberg (not literally sniffing 'cos that's pervy) to find out his contractual situation with view to him being a replacement for Massa.

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andrew wrote:
xpensive wrote:Just wonder how that bell will ring when a german driver like Vettel takes a seat with the Scuderia, ......
It seems that Ferrari have been sniffing around Rosberg (not literally sniffing 'cos that's pervy) to find out his contractual situation with view to him being a replacement for Massa.
Perhaps Mercedes and Ferrari can just swap contracts :mrgreen:
Yer.

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I doubt it, my money is on Kubica. He has yet to show is incredible potential.
The truth will come out...

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Hangaku wrote:
andrew wrote:
xpensive wrote:Just wonder how that bell will ring when a german driver like Vettel takes a seat with the Scuderia, ......
It seems that Ferrari have been sniffing around Rosberg (not literally sniffing 'cos that's pervy) to find out his contractual situation with view to him being a replacement for Massa.
Perhaps Mercedes and Ferrari can just swap contracts :mrgreen:
I would expect a 3 way exchange involving rosberg, massa and Di Resta tbh.

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The threats have never been empty. The once recieved 100M not to leave. Then they stopped the budget cap mandate by the FIA. I would say FIA took the threat seriously.

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Rob01 wrote:The threats have never been empty. The once recieved 100M not to leave. Then they stopped the budget cap mandate by the FIA. I would say FIA took the threat seriously.
And this is exactly why the FIA need to let ferrari play in their own money-lined sand box, and get on with letting the other 12 teams race – we'll see which one the public finds more interesting.

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donskar wrote:In my mind -- and I think millions of casual fans would agree -- racing still centers around the engine -- not the aero. And 4 cylinders signify F2, F3, FF, etc. F1 is -- or should be -- different.
I agree with the focus on engines. But the rest is a typical American view which is years behind the actual trends in the automotive industry IMO. The US majority of consumers only appreciates big naturally aspired engines with high energy consumption. They missed the turbo diesels that made European cars far more efficient and they may miss the new turbo petrol engines as well. Turbo charged small engines are the past and the future of F1. They will bring F1 closer to the industry trends but that isn't a bad thing IMO.

Monte is still only looking for his companies good and not respecting the democratic vote of the teams in the F1 commission. Apparently FOTA is only good for him as long as they are the ventriloquist puppet of Ferrari. Lets have a decade of Ferrari defeats in F1 politics please! Nothing could be better for the sport. The Maranello megalomaniacs desperately need a lesson in humility, at least in my view.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best .............................. organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)

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Your wrong. Ferrari is looking out for the integrity of the sport. More of a war over next Concorde. F1 has pushed towards a spec series for too long. FIA making rules will change in the next Concorde. The FIA is to write the rules that the teams and commercial side want. Outside of safety they should just write the rules given to them. Unfortunately, the teams agreed to let Max/FIA write the rules long ago because everyone was fat and happy. It will take this Concorde to set the situation correct or the result will be a breakaway. This is no idle threat from Luca. And the majors will rally around Luca.

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Rob01 wrote:Your wrong. Ferrari is looking out for the integrity of the sport. More of a war over next Concorde. F1 has pushed towards a spec series for too long. FIA making rules will change in the next Concorde. The FIA is to write the rules that the teams and commercial side want. Outside of safety they should just write the rules given to them. Unfortunately, the teams agreed to let Max/FIA write the rules long ago because everyone was fat and happy. It will take this Concorde to set the situation correct or the result will be a breakaway. This is no idle threat from Luca. And the majors will rally around Luca.
#-o I cannot understand where you got that theory. It certainly does not fit the actual history. From the first concord in 1981 the team majority has the rule making authority (except safety issues) and have exercised it. The FiA is the owner of the series and will never relinquish the final authority to approve or disapprove the rule proposals of the F1 commission.

If there is a change as a result of disagreement between FOTA and FOM over the distribution of the FOM money this can potentially lead to a break away. In reality it will not change the situation that the majority of teams will always make the rules.

Ferrari are just making silly noises without real power.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best .............................. organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)