Frustrated Montezemolo threatens to quit F1

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Are we tired of Montezemolo's empty threats to leave?

Yes, get out, or shut up!
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No, Ferrari are essential to F1. FiA and FOTA need to listen to them.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... ction.html
Luca de Momtezemolo wrote:We'll leave unless there is a change in direction. The sport had become too artificial. A steering wheel is now a computer covered in buttons and the fans no longer understand. Ferrari will stay in Formula 1 so long as the sport gives us back something for the development of technology of our production cars, otherwise not.
How credible is that, Luca? The steering wheels were essentially the same ten years ago when Ferrari was winning tons of races with Brawn, Byrne, Todt and Schumacher. The difference is that Ferrari has not been winning races lately unless Vettel's Renault engine failed. That makes you look like a petulant child that is throwing it's toys from the pram when it can't have it's cake and eat it.

Ferrari have pushed the FOTA and you were the first president of the association. FOTA essentially now makes the rules with the majority in the F1 commission. The good guys have to accept the rules of the sport even when they benefit the majority and not the own individual agenda. Luca will have get used to the fact that Ferrari lost their secret veto which was the reward for leaving the GPMA and joining with Max and Bernie in 2005. Many people now will remember the move for what it really was. Opportunistic and power hungry at the height of the biggest run that that any team had ever had in F1. Even in summer 2005 Ferrari was already on it's way down, but thy did not know it then.

Six years later Ferrari is just one of twelve teams. They can claim the longest uninterrupted presence in the world championship and most victories, but they are not the winning machine they were ten years ago. Michael Schumacher is not winning races and so is Ferrari. Other teams have come down from the top of the F1 pile and quit F1. There was a time when Lotus was winning races like no other team and then they lost it. The same can happen to Ferrari. Ferrari needs to demonstrate that it is capable of winning in a fair and equitable competition when the rules are not stacked in their favour.

The claims that Luca makes now are powered by the hubris of a team living off former glory. As it stands Ferrari cannot claim to be a top team any more. Ferrari victories in the last year came mainly when the real top team Re Bull had mechanical failures. Take those off and your team looks like the second or the third also ran. And 2009 did look worse when your team also finished way behind.

At close inspection Ferrari simply cannot afford to go through with the threat it makes. F1 is still essentially the only advertising that Ferrari make for their products. If they quit F1 there will be a rapid decline of the brand recognition and the brand value and Montezemolo knows this.

So why are we getting these empty threats every two months now? I think I know the reason. Simply put Ferrari is with their back to the wall and Monte knows this. He has no real power as long as he is alone and has no support by the majority of the teams. They mostly vote with Red Bull and other constructors now. We have enough competitive engines in F1 and no team needs to kiss Luca's hairy posterior for Maranello's lumps. Even Sauber can afford not to support Ferrari in the engine decision.

Time to wake up Luca! Put the money where your mouth is or shut up!
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If we all know that what he says is BS then why make such a big deal about it?

Any rational person would take this with a kilo of salt and move on.
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If Ferrari leaves and when Schuey retires, I'll have no one to hate in F1 :cry:

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This is just the beginning of 18mths of politicising F1 again. The next Concorde Agreement is due to be discussed.

That's all this is, Ferrari getting an early word in for the common cause of inreased TV rights distribution for Ferrari (primarily) and FOTA (secondarily).


Any coincidence that Montezemolo has publicly come out with this, within a week of meeting with Todt in Maranello? :wink:
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Fil wrote:Any coincidence that Montezemolo has publicly come out with this, within a week of meeting with Todt in Maranello? :wink:
He made him an offer he couldn't refuse. :lol:

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manchild wrote:
Fil wrote:Any coincidence that Montezemolo has publicly come out with this, within a week of meeting with Todt in Maranello? :wink:
He made him an offer he couldn't refuse. :lol:

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mx_tifosi wrote:If we all know that what he says is BS then why make such a big deal about it?

Any rational person would take this with a kilo of salt and move on.
You do relise that it is Ferrari's no. 1 fan who opened this thread? They don't need any rational excuse to start the bashing. I'm not a fan of Ferrari, but the constant Ferrari bashing is very sad.

I mean, what is the point of this thread? What is it that is to be answered?

Luca di Montezemolo makes the quit threat (again), and we are to say what? Apart from saying he should either put his money where his mouth is or just let it go there isn't really anything else to say. It's just posturing in preparation for the re-hashing of the Concorde agreement.

There we go, thread answered. Who's got the keys?

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I seriously hope he actually pulls the team out, would be better for anyone. Ferrari thinks they are vital to the whole series, just because they where in from the start. Ferrari can be missed just like McLaren, LRGP or any other team, harsh to say but it is the truth, they are nothing more then a team that enters the championship.

This would make F1 way and way better, the crying team that is for 90% responsible for all the beloved politics is gone and the F1 can actually take a fresh breath not having to hear these guys with every descision made.

And yes, before you guys say it, i have a huge dislike of Ferrari, there are only 2 things i do not hate from ferrari; Felipe Massa and his race engineer, the rest is all a bunch of crying morons
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I can see Luca's point, but i agree, this is just posturing for the next agreement. When he talks about the steering wheel, he is talking about DRS and KERS, and i agree with him on both, they need not be in F1. He also has a point about F1 being relevant to Ferrari's road cars. F1 tech trickles down to their production cars. If the FIA moves to 1.6l turbos, nothing will be relavant to their road car program. That is the simple truth. Of course he is going to fight it because it has a direct impact on the core business. Think about when your employer states that something is going to be cut or you are going to be doing something that makes your quality of life go down, you fight it, or quit.

And for those talking about F1 being better without Ferrari, your judgement is clouded because of your hate. There is no way that you can argue that F1 will be better off without Ferrari. "Better off" is your opinion of watching F1 from the comfort of your house. Revenues will drop by an insane amount at every venue. Just look at the stands and those waving flags at every race, i'd say easily half of spectators show up to watch Ferrari. You remove Ferrari, you remove that revenue. Sure, you may like it more and think "its better" but the bottom line would be impacted an immense amount.

You can hate Luca and his tactics all you want. He is a politician. But you cannot deny the value that the Ferrari brand brings to F1. Or McLaren for that matter.

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manchild wrote:If Ferrari leaves and when Schuey retires, I'll have no one to hate in F1 :cry:

and when Schuey retires, I'll have no reason to watch F1.

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ecapox wrote:I can see Luca's point, but i agree, this is just posturing for the next agreement. When he talks about the steering wheel, he is talking about DRS and KERS, and i agree with him on both, they need not be in F1. He also has a point about F1 being relevant to Ferrari's road cars. F1 tech trickles down to their production cars. If the FIA moves to 1.6l turbos, nothing will be relavant to their road car program. That is the simple truth. Of course he is going to fight it because it has a direct impact on the core business. Think about when your employer states that something is going to be cut or you are going to be doing something that makes your quality of life go down, you fight it, or quit.
You make a good point there, but one has to remember that F1 should not be captured and be taken prisoner by a single team however traditional and victorious they have been in the past. Everybody can see why there is a natural distinction between what is good for Ferrari and what is good for F1. There is even a distinction between what is good for F1 and what is good for the commercial rights holder. In a case of doubt I will always take the position of the FiA and Jean Todt because I believe that the two will do what is good for F1 as a whole.

This is a technical board and I think there are very good technical points to consider in this issue. Ferrari are objecting to the technical direction the FiA wants to take F1 because they feel it does not fit their marketing agenda. They need big naturally aspired engines for a proper fit.

The FiA thinks that engineering and fuel efficiency are vital for F1. I agree with the view that private automotive transportation and the sport should be organized with the highest degree of conservation and sustainability in mind. Just to take the point off any stupid argument: This is not the only maximization objective. F1 still needs to be exciting and generating fan interest on track and on TV. But in those confines I believe that the emphasis should be more put on a radical approach to fuel efficiency and not on a maximum compatibility with one particular competitor's wishes.

This why the turbo engines are the right way to go. Even the restriction to four cylinders is positive if that is the result of the endless looking consultation and decision making process that has taken place in 2010. One cannot criticise Max Mosley for an autocratic style and not accept the results of a democratic decision making process that was taken by Jean Todt. The teams eventually have taken the decision what is now supposed to happen and that gives legitimation to the whole process.

Montezemolo and Ecclestone are not the proper representatives of F1. They cannot be allowed to determine what is the right technical direction for the sport. That is the prerogative of the F1 commission and the World Motor Sport Council. When those two individuals put themselves and their organization above the sport and criticise the decisions by the proper authorities they need to be told to shut up. This is the purpose of this thread. The issue will be there as long as Montezemolo continues his inappropriate criticism.
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Luca is crazy, we all know and agree with that. But just like many other "Crazies" there is some truth behind what they say.

It would be a shame to have Ferrari leave F1. But if that is what they have to do, I'm all for it. They surely can find other categories to race in. It will be a tremendous loss for F1 and for Ferrari, but like i said before, if your employer changes, you have two options: Stick with it and adapt or leave.

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I wish Ferrari would stay, but Montezemelo would leave.
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manchild wrote:If Ferrari leaves and when Schuey retires, I'll have no one to hate in F1 :cry:

I'm sure TEPCO Racing will come along soon.