2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[f1jcw]

Should Mercedes provide reliable evidence that human touch damages an initially durable wing? Have a test: examine the wing, then the technical inspector touches, investigate again. Easily? Or should the inspectors believe that everything was as Mercedes claim?

All Merc have to do is pass 1% of doubt.

[LM10]

You're TOTALLY missing the point.

I understand very well what points are made. Some comments are just utter bullshit, mentioning technical impossible stuff.

Okay 2 cyclists are going for the WDC.
They both have urine tests and one has failed.

There is video of the competitor touching the sample bottle, he might not have done anything but as it was done before the tests it casts doubt on the results of the test.


Max doesn't have to have done anything but he has cast doubt on the whole procedure.

If FIA do punish Lewis, I think merc will appeal and it will go one after the race.

Sounds like you think that a doubt is all that’s needed to dismiss a case. In a court case you would have independent experts on a matter telling you what’s possible or likely to a certain extent and what not. If there is footage of a person touching the outside of a sample bottle, it would be stupid to claim that this led to the sample inside changing/being damaged. That’s what an amateur would tell, but if there is doubt you could still ask an independent expert and he or she would tell you with certainty, if the sample could have been damaged/changed by touching the outside of the bottle.

[AeroDynamic]

If fia let Mercedes off the hook because the evidence was contaminated by MV then this thread will blow up with MaFIA accusations.

And if they penalise Mercedes. They will still believe the MaFIA exists

[djones]

Should Mercedes provide reliable evidence that human touch damages an initially durable wing? Have a test: examine the wing, then the technical inspector touches, investigate again. Easily? Or should the inspectors believe that everything was as Mercedes claim?

All Merc have to do is pass 1% of doubt.

It does not even have to be as high as 1% doubt.

So many people don't seem to grasp this is not actually about did Max damage the wing (of course he didn't!), it's about the legal implications of the fact Max touched it.

[search]

HAM & VER aren't using DRS in P2

they never do during longruns, though. The times are a couple of seconds off pace - some less so, doing sprint race preparations, others more so, practicing for the race instead.

[scheffers]

Imagine a few of the best engineers in the world seriously trying to convince the stewards of Max having damaged the wing by gently touching it and then the stewards believing what they’ve just heard. A funny imagination.

[epo]

If fia let Mercedes off the hook because the evidence was contaminated by MV then this thread will blow up with MaFIA accusations.

And if they penalise Mercedes. They will still believe the MaFIA exists

It doesn't matter what this forum or better say the people in this thread think. 99% of the opinions are fan biased so irrelevant.

[scheffers]

Should Mercedes provide reliable evidence that human touch damages an initially durable wing? Have a test: examine the wing, then the technical inspector touches, investigate again. Easily? Or should the inspectors believe that everything was as Mercedes claim?

All Merc have to do is pass 1% of doubt.

It does not even have to be as high as 1% doubt.

So many people don't seem to grasp this is not actually about did Max damage the wing (of course he didn't!), it's about the legal implications of the fact Max touched it.

Indeed. And exactly this makes all the nonsense posts with technical "explanations" on how he could sabotage the wing irrelevant.

[JordanMugen]

Ted Kravitz noted that a 1 kgf (10 N) force is using the DRS slot gap test anyway. Far more than the mythical finger of "super Max"!

[Restomaniac]

I think there is one thing many on here can agree on. This delay means it’s clearly very messy behind the scenes.

[Manoah2u]

If fia let Mercedes off the hook because the evidence was contaminated by MV then this thread will blow up with MaFIA accusations.

And if they penalise Mercedes. They will still believe the MaFIA exists

yes BUT.

it would also have been MAFIA if max hadn't touched it and it was discovered,
as it would be claimed FIA delibaretly is blocking Lewis from the championship, and RB must have a deal with the FIA.

the craziest part in all this, is that because Max touched the car, breached a rule, and now Lewis car, contrary to any other one - none of which were touched by Max, has a rule breach, this could be explained as being Max sabotaging Lewis' car, to which only 1 outcome can follow: Max DSQ from the WDC.

Offcourse it is absolute nonsense that Max or RB would sabotage - Max is comfortably leading the championship.
However, people have end up in jail for crimes they did not commit.

This has gotten pretty ugly and it's going to be a memorable Brazil weekend in an already memorable season.

[JordanMugen]

this could be explained as being Max sabotaging Lewis' car, to which only 1 outcome can follow: Max DSQ from the WDC.

[cooken]

Ted Kravitz noted that a 1 kgf (10 N) force is using the DRS slot gap test anyway. Far more than the mythical finger of "super Max"!

Correction. Ted was quoting 10 N-m, which is not a force but a moment. So Ted is confused (shock) about what the test is measuring, or for some reason kept inserting an extra unit in there...

[Manoah2u]

Ted Kravitz noted that a 1 kgf (10 N) force is using the DRS slot gap test anyway. Far more than the mythical finger of "super Max"!

you don't even know what you're claiming

https://www.quora.com/How-much-pressure ... red-in-lbs

According to a study done by Virginia Polytechnic, it appears that the average ‘poke’ force is measured in newtons with the average being roughly 47N. This can be converted into lbs which yields the result of 10.36 lbs.

that's 4,7 times stronger than the slot gap test.
it's actually the opposite.

[Manoah2u]

this could be explained as being Max sabotaging Lewis' car, to which only 1 outcome can follow: Max DSQ from the WDC.

please don't delibaretly pull the comment out of context.