2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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British media in pro-british sportsman shock...

Serious, why is it a surprise to anyone that the BRITISH media support a BRITISH driver, or tennis player for that matter. Only in Britain is patriotism a dirty word, even to brexiters.

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TAG wrote:
bhall II wrote:
A-Bap wrote:Is anyone else sick of the LH fanboy-ism and bias in the press or is it just me?
I'm with ya. Then again, I pretty much hate all drivers. So...
I try to limit my opinion on drivers to what they do on the track, keeps it much simpler that way, but pretty much hating all drivers I would think has takes a good bit of joy from the sport.
It's mostly to do with their fans. Give a competent driver a great car and a not-so-great teammate - the case for virtually all Champions since the duels between Senna and Prost - and when he wins, his fans treat him like he's the best thing since sliced milk.

I just don't find drivers that compelling.

Given an opportunity to have a conversation with a figure from the sport, I'd wanna meet James Allison or Adrian Newey or Aldo Costa or, if I was really lucky, John Barnard or Mauro Forghieri. I don't really have heroes. But, if I did...

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Anyone still complaining that 10 s for Rosberg in Austria was not enough or perhaps perspective ends on wishful thinking and driver related hypocrisy? No one's fainting from fake outrage :) ? Vettel did it is so awkwardly and without control (changing direction several times) that he himself ended up way off (Rosberg stayed on track) and he got 5 s = there are no rules in F1.

This is reality not 100 unsubstantiated attacks on a driver in this thread. Rosberg's fault that his gearbox malfunctioned and Mercedes brainboxes don't know which message will get them certain penalty.

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Almost missed you here!
I'll give it a go.

Vettel was penalized for forcing a car off track, not for causing a collision. Also he was locking up instead of trying a clever move. Besides that he was on the offensive instead the defensive.

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Jolle wrote:Almost missed you here!
I'll give it a go.

Vettel was penalized for forcing a car off track, not for causing a collision. Also he was locking up instead of trying a clever move. Besides that he was on the offensive instead the defensive.
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bhall II wrote:

Given an opportunity to have a conversation with a figure from the sport, I'd wanna meet James Allison or Adrian Newey or Aldo Costa or, if I was really lucky, John Barnard or Mauro Forghieri. I don't really have heroes. But, if I did...
It is possible to have different "heroes" for different situations. I'd love to meet and chat with Moss and (time machine allowed as required) Fangio. I'd like to chat to Senna, Schumacher, Vettel and Hamilton too. All would have something to say that was worth listening to. Likewise Murray, Newey, Chapman and Ferrari, Todt, Warr and others. I'd love to be driven by each of those drivers too, to revel in their individual skill. I'd love to watch the engineers work through a problem, listen to the team managers haggle with drivers. It's all good stuff and all for different reasons.

The problems start when people idolise a driver (or designer). Idolatry is bad in whatever form it takes. It never ends well.
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bhall II wrote:It's mostly to do with their fans.
You mostly hate all drivers because of their fans...
It´s 6 am over here but i´m pretty sure i read that right. right?
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SectorOne wrote:
bhall II wrote:It's mostly to do with their fans.
You mostly hate all drivers because of their fans...
It´s 6 am over here but i´m pretty sure i read that right. right?
LOL

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ChrisM40 wrote:British media in pro-british sportsman shock...

Serious, why is it a surprise to anyone that the BRITISH media support a BRITISH driver, or tennis player for that matter. Only in Britain is patriotism a dirty word, even to brexiters.
Only in Britain? haha you cant be serious about this.

One thing is to support a driver of your country, other thing is to be a blind fanboy. And it has nothing to due to true patriotism.

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Jolle wrote:
Samraj_official wrote:At the moment it looks seemingly more like Prost and Bernard,so who knows???, it might as well change next year,while also knowing the fact what RedBull are capable off during rule changes and also Ferrari always seem to react too slowly during massive regulation changes,with budget in excess of 400 million $$ ,i still struggle to understand why are they are under utilising the resources they have!!! is it lack of talented engineers or something else???
Pure lack of direction. Teams that have been dominant always had a very strong management that stood out. Managers who form a team with their engineers and place the right trust in them. Managers who don't compromise. Not a political marketing manager. Everybody probably can name all the combinations from the past twenty/thirty years. With Allison they have the engineer.
Thats it. Lack of direction, something the Schumi era Ferrari had. This explain how Ferrari was able to improve the car each season until they achieved to have the best car in the 2000s. I dont think that direction and clear purpose in Ferrari since 2007/2008.

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But Ferrari has enough money to run several concepts in parallel to each other and go on to find the best possible design,even Mercedes spent less money than Ferrari last year, and with the situation they are finding themselves in, this is quite embarrassing!!!

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Samraj_official wrote:But Ferrari has enough money to run several concepts in parallel to each other and go on to find the best possible design,even Mercedes spent less money than Ferrari last year, and with the situation they are finding themselves in, this is quite embarrassing!!!
And that is exactly the thought proces of Ferrari at the moment. Multiple directions at ones and before you know it you have some web of possibilities and no where to go. Compare it to apple vs Samsung for instance. One phone, got it right from the start, or a whole array of phones. Whatever your favorite phone is, Apple makes the most money in the end.

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Jolle wrote:
Samraj_official wrote:But Ferrari has enough money to run several concepts in parallel to each other and go on to find the best possible design,even Mercedes spent less money than Ferrari last year, and with the situation they are finding themselves in, this is quite embarrassing!!!
And that is exactly the thought proces of Ferrari at the moment. Multiple directions at ones and before you know it you have some web of possibilities and no where to go. Compare it to apple vs Samsung for instance. One phone, got it right from the start, or a whole array of phones. Whatever your favorite phone is, Apple makes the most money in the end.
sorry but Samsung aren't failing like Ferrari either!!! Biggest profits are recorded Q1,Q2........ :)

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Samraj_official wrote:
Jolle wrote:
Samraj_official wrote:But Ferrari has enough money to run several concepts in parallel to each other and go on to find the best possible design,even Mercedes spent less money than Ferrari last year, and with the situation they are finding themselves in, this is quite embarrassing!!!
And that is exactly the thought proces of Ferrari at the moment. Multiple directions at ones and before you know it you have some web of possibilities and no where to go. Compare it to apple vs Samsung for instance. One phone, got it right from the start, or a whole array of phones. Whatever your favorite phone is, Apple makes the most money in the end.
sorry but Samsung aren't failing like Ferrari either!!! Biggest profits are recorded Q1,Q2........ :)
That's not he point, Ferrari is still fast. But they miss the Steve Jobs, Ron Dennis, Jean Todt, etc leader. McLaren almost instantly lost traction when Withmarch took over, Ferrari lost its edge after Todt and Apple lost its magic under Cook. Its vision and direction, focus. Working on multiple solutions at once you'll mis it. How many times did we have in the recent past that Ferraris updates weren't working? Or phrases "looks like we're going backwards ". The moment you start to have to fix all the little problems, your base isn't good enough.

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SectorOne wrote:
bhall II wrote:It's mostly to do with their fans.
You mostly hate all drivers because of their fans...
It´s 6 am over here but i´m pretty sure i read that right. right?
I've not once claimed to be a rational human being.