2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

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Bar anything crazy, this is the tombstone of the championship. It's a shame it had to be decided like this, but the rules are the rules.

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Looks like the medium tire goes off after ~20 laps, it's not a wear cliff but a thermal cliff with the tire nearly undrivable after 25ish laps.

The wear on the rear axle will exceed the front wear, leading to a balance shift towards oversteer, this oversteer will begin to create additional heat in the tire, which creates more sliding and more temperature. So either the driver tip toes around, or they accept being 1 to 1.5 seconds off the pace until the front axle catches up. Otherwise I don't see how a one stop will be possible tomorrow. It also creates an interesting scenario for the 24 lap sprint race as the softer tire will likely not make it to the end but can allow a car to make up positions, where as the hard will be slow at the start but faster at the end and the medium somewhere in between.
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Whoa 50,000?
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Part of they stewards’ reasoning is “Considering the fact that no direct harm was caused in this case”

So what is Merc's excuse now? Why was the wing illegal, if it wasn't because of Max?

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NathanOlder wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 18:52
TimW wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 18:50
NathanOlder wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 18:47
Out of interest, did the whole DRS slot fail the gap test, or was it just one end?
Seemed to be just one end at the very edge
Yeah thats what I thought. surely this is easily proven to be damaged rather than an advantage gained on purpose?
I don’t think it matters if it was on purpose or not. Ricciardo was disqualified in 2018 because of a power spike in his MGU-K due to a kerb hit which gave him an advantage of a microsecond.

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pantherxxx wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 19:01
Part of they stewards’ reasoning is “Considering the fact that no direct harm was caused in this case”

So what is Merc's excuse now? Why was the wing illegal, if it wasn't because of Max?
None

It was illegal, they will be DSQ

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pantherxxx wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 19:01
Part of they stewards’ reasoning is “Considering the fact that no direct harm was caused in this case”

So what is Merc's excuse now? Why was the wing illegal, if it wasn't because of Max?
None

It was illegal, they will be DSQ

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pantherxxx wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 19:01
Part of they stewards’ reasoning is “Considering the fact that no direct harm was caused in this case”

So what is Merc's excuse now? Why was the wing illegal, if it wasn't because of Max?

well I'm guessing damage. So they tried to pin it on their opponent.
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Hakuna Matata!

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Took a while for the decision to DSQ Hamilton, but I think most predicted this outcome.
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Manoah2u wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 17:03
AeroDynamic wrote:
13 Nov 2021, 16:51
What this might come down to: Can The FIA prove when the wing stopped passing the regulation? did begin to break the regulation during qualifying or after max touched it? How can you know for a fact? how do you prove it?
you can't, AND Mercedes does not NEED to because after all, the part in question has come under scrutiny AFTER getting a rule infringement made by another driver.

there is no legal base for anything in regards to mercedes.
quite frankly, Max is in hotter water because Max made a rule infringement that is slam dunk evident.

again, i can NOT imagine ANY penalty.
Luckily, the FIA had a different opinion. :D

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Slam Dunk, albeit took 24 hours go through the net!
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So much for the MAFIA people keep going on about and FIA Merc corruption

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please upload the full exerpt. theres 3 pages to this ruling.!!!