2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[MtthsMlw]

Is Hamilton allowed to go on track for FP2? During an ongoing investigation and looks like a proved infringement.

Yes he is

[pantherxxx]

No human on earth would be able to do that like that, with one hand, not even a gorilla or any known mammal. So you're claiming that Verstappen is a supernatural being? Is that your evidence to doubt?

Depends what the geometry of the part is, what material it's made from, and how you manipulate it.

For example, take a long, less than 1mm diameter CF, aluminum, or metal rod, and under pure tension you aren't going to break it, even if you hang from it. Apply a bending force though and you will distort or break it.

To permanently bend a carbon fiber structure like the DRS, you would need several tons of force. Verstappen is 80kg, and he touched it with one hand.

Carbon fibers are ten times stronger than steel and eight times that of aluminum.

Carbon fiber is very strong when stretched or bent, but weak when compressed or exposed to high shock (e.g. a carbon fiber bar is extremely difficult to bend, but will crack easily if hit with a hammer).

[AeroDynamic]

[DrDejan]

I don’t think stewards will let Hamilton without a penalty just because Max touched his car. What they’ll probably do is allow #44 to change his rear wing with a same spec wing due to malfunction of the DRS, while reprimanding Max for breaking parc ferme rules by “checking” the car. Unless there’s a clear breach of the technical regulation found on #44, they won’t interfere in the title fight.

[PhillipM]

If Mercedes really claims that Max changed the setup with one hand in under a second, they're making fools from themselves. It's physically impossible, it's 3X harder to bend carbon fiber than f*cking steel.

And yet even a child can flex a drinks can. What it's made of is irrelevant. the stiffness of the assembly is what matters.

[Manoah2u]

Is Hamilton allowed to go on track for FP2? During an ongoing investigation and looks like a proved infringement.

Yes he is

and there you have it already.

Different wing, that one is scrutinized and correct. Lewis will start with that wing, no penalty.

FIA will claim the 'confiscated' rear wing will be contaminated thanks to Max' contact, and that'll be end of story.

[f1jcw]

Maybe they need to add that people should start posting theories on FIA / Mercedes corruption without evidence, especially as such things are libelous and could get the site into trouble.

[Starkblood80]

It's like Mercedes saying, FIA are dumb idiots who can't think through what we are saying. It's actually, disrespecting the collective wisdom of FIA, more specifically of someone lik Jo Bauer, who has seen these stunts for ages now. I would be shocked if FIA buys that. The more apt decision would be to disqualify Lewis and reprimand Max, as there is no precedent of a penalty for a driver in such situation, despite Vettel having done that multiple times, without any particular issue. Anything else would firm the suggested reputation of FIA as a bunch driven by Mercedes.

You need to grow up a bit with the FIA driven by Mercedes, especially when you show yourself to be very biased.

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Attack the post, not the poster.
Following that easy rule makes everything so much enjoyable for everyone.
We all come here to talk about cars, and F1 and drivers and teams.
Not to talk about what poster A thinks that poster B thinks about what moderator C did to a post from user D about user E.
Anything falling in the last category might be subject to deletion without explanation, and without consistency: treated as background noise: something to be cleaned, but not to obsess about cleaning perfectly.

Attack the post, not the poster.

With your anti Hamilton/Mercedes narrative and your seemingly deliberate attempts at winding other forum members up, You make that very difficult at times.

[xaero]

You need to grow up a bit with the FIA driven by Mercedes, especially when you show yourself to be very biased.

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Attack the post, not the poster.
Following that easy rule makes everything so much enjoyable for everyone.
We all come here to talk about cars, and F1 and drivers and teams.
Not to talk about what poster A thinks that poster B thinks about what moderator C did to a post from user D about user E.
Anything falling in the last category might be subject to deletion without explanation, and without consistency: treated as background noise: something to be cleaned, but not to obsess about cleaning perfectly.

Attack the post, not the poster.

With your anti Hamilton/Mercedes narrative and your seemingly deliberate attempts at winding other forum members up, You make that very difficult at times.

Not at times. Almost always.

[f1jcw]

If Mercedes really claims that Max changed the setup with one hand in under a second, they're making fools from themselves. It's physically impossible, it's 3X harder to bend carbon fiber than f*cking steel.

And yet even a child can flex a drinks can. What it's made of is irrelevant. the stiffness of the assembly is what matters.

It is all about "doubt" even if it is 1% doubt.

[AeroDynamic]

What this might come down to: Can The FIA prove when the wing stopped passing the regulation? did begin to break the regulation during qualifying or after max touched it? How can you know for a fact? how do you prove it?

[214270]

We definitely need VERs explanation at this point to understand this further.

[Tizz]

And all this probably because of a careless mechanic that made a little mistake...

[dans79]

To permanently bend a carbon fiber structure like the DRS, you would need several tons of force. Verstappen is 80kg, and he touched it with one hand.

I didn't say he broke or bent the wing!

However the drs actuator (what controls how big the gap gets) has a lot of tiny intricate parts, that he could damage (we don't know yet).

[dans79]

And all this probably because of a careless mechanic that made a little mistake...

potentially even caused by equipment and parts being delayed!