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[TNTHead]

Max' take on the expectations for tomorrow

https://x.com/SCUDERIAFEMBOY/status/190 ... vcGVg&s=19

[Seanspeed]

The problem is assuming both cars can do the same thing and hold the same line.

If these were spec cars, I’d agree, but how cars rotate, etc. all differ in F1 and you’ll end up with different lines.

Watch the video.

Nothing I'm pointing out is car-related at all. Anybody who does any kind of half-serious sim racing(or real life racing) will understand what I'm saying. ANY car on the grid will understeer in the situations Max was putting himself in there. Max was not taking the optimal lines for the car, he was simply trying to get the car to do more than it could. Lewis would have faced the same issues if he took the same lines as Max. But Lewis took smarter lines on that final lap, being less aggressive on turn-in and reaping the rewards on exit. That's all it is. Max is phenomenal, but these are the tiny little things that can vary lap per lap even among top drivers.

[Xyz22]

cars that are unsually quick on one lap will struggle over race distance .in australia the midfield team were over a second slower over race distance .its easy to put a good lap when u are relying on tire grip but over long distance you need good downforce to protect the tires

Hadjar and Tsunoda were lapping at a similar pace to Max at the end of the sprint.

But they were massively behind.

[AR3-GP]

cars that are unsually quick on one lap will struggle over race distance .in australia the midfield team were over a second slower over race distance .its easy to put a good lap when u are relying on tire grip but over long distance you need good downforce to protect the tires

Hadjar and Tsunoda were lapping at a similar pace to Max at the end of the sprint.

But they were massively behind.

Yes but Bill has argued that a midfield car that overqualified does not protect the tires. Verstappen drop off was more severe than RB, so it shows that midfield car does not mean the tires are not protected. Otherwise Racing Bulls should have worse deg. Hadjar never saw this circuit before, and Bill says it is a bad circuit for Tsunoda. What does that say about the Red Bull....Max asked the same question...

The best thing to come from this is that we know the gap between Lawson and Tsunoda already from last year when they were in the same car. So as Max said, it doesn't make sense that Tsunoda has a much bigger margin when Lawson switched to Red Bull. It was a 1 second gap between Tsunoda and Lawson in the qualifying. It was never that when they had the same car.

[Xyz22]

Hadjar and Tsunoda were lapping at a similar pace to Max at the end of the sprint.

But they were massively behind.

Yes but Bill has argued that a midfield car that overqualified does not protect the tires. Verstappen drop off was more severe than RB, so it shows that midfield car does not mean the tires are not protected. Otherwise Racing Bulls should have worse deg. Hadjar never saw this circuit before, and Bill says it is a bad circuit for Tsunoda. What does that say about the Red Bull....Max asked the same question...

The best thing to come from this is that we know the gap between Lawson and Tsunoda already from last year when they were in the same car. So as Max said, it doesn't make sense that Tsunoda has a much bigger margin when Lawson switched to Red Bull. It was a 1 second gap between Tsunoda and Lawson in the qualifying. It was never that when they had the same car.

It's clear that Lawson is doing something fundamentally wrong. It's probably a combination of a more difficult car to handle, higher pressure and the mistake of maybe trying too hard to gain time.

I mean after the first 3 corners he was already over 0.3s behind Max.

[organic]

So the car isn't good enough ATM. Where are the main deficits this weekend? Same as before this weekend?

[dialtone]

Not trying to troll but this discussion has me thinking one thing…

Is this team toast? If Max is the only one that can drive this car and everyone else starts last, what happens if they take Max away? Who else can drive this car?

[AR3-GP]

So the car isn't good enough ATM. Where are the main deficits this weekend? Same as before this weekend?

Overall downforce is the deficit. Overall downforce sets the baseline potential of the car. Balance is just fine tuning. That's why Max keeps saying balance is fine, and they just lack overall pace/grip compared to others.

[Paa]

So the car isn't good enough ATM. Where are the main deficits this weekend? Same as before this weekend?

Overall downforce is the deficit. Overall downforce sets the baseline potential of the car. Balance is just fine tuning. That's why Max keeps saying balance is fine, and they just lack overall pace/grip compared to others.

Which is also in line with what Waché said preseason that they cut the car's max potential to make it more driveable.

[AR3-GP]

Remember how in 2015, there was a handful of races where Max in the Toro Rosso beat Kyvat and Ricciardo who were driving the Red Bulls at the time...

[AR3-GP]

Liam changed setup. Starting from the pits

[Chuckjr]

The more I watch Max, the more impressed I am becoming. The really good ones always make dog cars sing, and man, that guy has the touch. Nothing is more pleasing to watch in F1 than something like what is happening right now with Max and this car. He literally is pulling time out that should not be there. Schumi and Fred used to do it all the time. And Lawson did not get that seat being slow. Someone wrote that earlier in this thread, and I agree 100%. Max is special and his team mates have been validating this for the last few years.

[Bill]

I still think redbull is fundamentally good car the first in-season testing Max was up there with Norris on long runs .yesterday he got greedy chasing lewis so he destroyed his tires i mean you are supposed to bring the temperatures up slowly.redbull need to work on tire management and Max will win.over one lap they are there with th ferrari so you could say jointly second best car.Max driving style is quirky he is is an early braker where f1 legend believe late braking is the way to go in f1 .for other driver is like being asked to write with your left hand .its hard driving that car,i am sure it has been fine tuned over five years to a particular driver.at the point redbull should just bring checo and do driver change next year.

[Chuckjr]

Yuki is who should be in that second seat. He would tear it up. Very talented #2 and he won't beat Max.

[SB15]

Yuki is who should be in that second seat. He would tear it up. Very talented #2 and he won't beat Max.

I think Yuki should stay in that RB because Redbull needs to quickly understand, that without Verstappen, your whole team is cooked because you're failing setting yourself up for the future. (Arvid Lindblad)