Final 2010 Entry List & 2011 Tender

[WhiteBlue]

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100319/F1/100319820?


Stefanovic's deal with Toyota apparently expired which would open the opportunity for all other candidates to aquire the 2010 Toyota design as a starting point for 2011.

[ESPImperium]

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100319/F1/100319820?


Stefanovic's deal with Toyota apparently expired which would open the opportunity for all other candidates to aquire the 2010 Toyota design as a starting point for 2011.

Whitch would also be a good point for a new team to buy the TF110 chassis, take the Toyota Engines and drive train as well, put them together with Michilen tyres if they are to come into F1 next year to replace Bridgestone, thus showing the FIA that they are ready, and activly testing for next year.

Ive said it once, and ill say it again, if it is to be Michelen that replaces Bridgestone, buying the IP for the USF1 Type 1 or the Toyota TF110 would be the best base point, as those are the 2 best cars currently not in F1 that a new tyre company could use, with the help of a team.

With this, i am also waiting to see Toyota come back into F1 asa engine only supplier, most probably to the new team. Its gonna cost them significantly less than what it would for the full constructor, arround $35 million a year to the $285million+ they spent as a constructor. I am surprised that BMW didnt go back to being a engine only supplier, as it would have ment that they could have cut 80% off their budget, and still kept a brand presence.

I think when Manufacturers return to F1, they are gonna return as engine only suppliers. I think VW are gonna enter that way, but with Hispania being renamed Kolles and Red Bull ditching Renault for VW power under the form of Audi from 2013.

Just my view and opinion.

[WhiteBlue]

http://www.f1technical.net/news/14434

The FIA has decided to open a new selection process to identify a candidate team to fill any vacancy that may exist in the FIA Formula One World Championship at the start of the 2011 season. The FIA may also identify one or more possible ‘reserve’ entrants to fill such vacancies.
This selection process will be open to all candidates capable of participating in the Championship for 2011 and 2012. The overall long-term interests of the Championship will determine which candidates are selected.

I would like to comment that this is fantastic news. I think it is significant that the FiA can initiate a process leading to filling a vacancy on the grid. This has never happened under the old Concord Agreement. Apparently this time the FiA has reserved a right to add teams on an as needed basis. Although the details of the distribution of powers between the FiA and the teams are unknown, we do know that the teams will participate in the setting of the selection criteria through the F1 commission. So there are obviously provisions for new teams to enter the club and they are defined in such a way that the existing teams cannot stall that process.

One obvious condition is that the the new team must be a constructor like the existing teams. This protects the interests of the manufacturer independent teams against manufacturers or big brands (like Red Bull) installing additional teams and getting advantages from running more cars. It terminates the entry model that ProDrive wanted to use in 2008. In one way it is sad because all the big teams somehow started small in F1 some decades ago and the cheapest way is buying a chassis from an existing constructor. On the other side the constructor principle protects the existing private teams against unfair competition practices by very rich corporate competitors.

It is also interesting to see that the "long term good for the championship" criterium is set by the FiA. It fully legalizes such measures as the "Cosworth engine contract only" requirement which applied in the 2010 selection. It is similar to the rights of independent teams for protection against the rich corporate teams. It gives the FiA leverage to establish an independent engine supplier and protect him when market conditions threaten to wipe out an independent engine source. Together with the right to limit the number of customers per engine supplier it enables the FiA to establish a healthy balance between manufacturers and independent engine suppliers.

Another good point is the participation of the teams in the setting of the selection criteria. Hopefully we will not see any more of the GP3/GP4 comments by the horse whisperer. These kind of comments are hostile and threatening towards potential new competitors. Hopefully the F1 commission will apply § 13.7 in such cases in the future.

13.7 If in the opinion of the F1 Commission a competitor fails to operate his team in a manner compatible with the standards of the Championship or in any way brings the Championship into disrepute, the FIA may exclude such competitor from the Championship forthwith.

There is a long tradition in nominating reserve cars or drivers in the international sporting code. It is good to see this practice also being applied to the F1 championship. When a team is selected to an available grid place there should always be a reserve from that selection process.

Bottom line: In my view this is a good start. Keep it up!

[marcush.]

I fail to see the attractivity of being in a reserve slot position.It strongly depends on how weak at least one of the current teams is financially,which we actually do not know.
so as a reserve you need to be ready ,so you will need a facility ,develop a car ,build a car ,have a group of people ...but no security ,not even a timeline when you will be accepted... not a strong proposal to a potential sponsor...
So this is only attractive to private investors taking a gamble..or?
To me this process lacks the possibility to make it into F1 on merit or on personal engagement.
Nobody would be foolish enough to invest and commit only to be on the sidelines possibly for 3 years ...would a reserve entry be subject to having tyres ,allowed to test ,maybe participate on official tests?

My view is FIA should open the F1 circus to all comers also on attending single event basis .No Points to them ,no money .If the field is full go throu prequaly
and let the two best participate in the race weekend.if that is still too many cars you could still have one or two non qualyfied cars to be sent home.. would put the tailenders under pressure as well...not bad methinks.

[WhiteBlue]

If you use a selection process it makes sense to have a reserve. The teams have already spend the money to do the due diligence and should one qualified team drop out you can still fill the slot.

Selecting teams by letting them take part in a qualifying with legal race cars is extremely expensive for all applicants and particularly those who do not qualify. You have to spend at least 20-25 million € up to that point to produce a race winning car as we have seen. I bet going through the current application process will cost no more than 10% of that.

[marcush.]

agreed
but for how long will you be able to sustain the status of being a reserve? you cannot be on waiting for a call forever,and especially in racing you need to plan ahead more than one year..so effectively the entry into the tender will be a decision
preventing your participation into something else or who could put forward the miracle of hiring a complete team on a on hold basis?

I fully agree with the drawbacks of sending non qualified teams home .But such is life and this was something very common a few years back.

As a compromise ,there could as well be a small shootout process with a shorter race if enough teams would want to get in ..so a second league of teams could fight for the final 13th grid slot in the build up to the weekend ,this grid slot being and remaining you have to fight for it to get in slot...if there is only one team ,ok entry granted,if more there is the shootout .if you manage to get in on regular basis and be quick enough to climb to 12th spot in the constructors standings ,the worst team has to fight to get in..i think that is workable and
could be sold to sponsors ,as the chance of being covered or featured on tV and in media is fact.

[sknguy]

It would be best, if the FIA is considering a reserve system, to have a season's plan in place prior to the beginning of winter testing, at the very least. A reserve team identified and all teams participating in winter testing. I think business plans would need to be more firmly scrutinized. This way the FIA wouldn't have to deal with funky rules interpretations and uncertainties through the season. If, after that, the reserve team can't meet their obligations, then you can't fill a vacancy through the season. But I don't think that a vacancy rule would be in place for the entire season. Maybe the first couple races, but that's it.

If a reserve team is serious about competing, they'll make contingencies. They'll be prepared. Just the same as if a team is awarded a slot, they should be prepared to race all season long. Including participating in winter testing. It's rather unfair to the other teams who participate to have special accommodations made for unprepared entrants.

[marcush.]

who would invest and prepare for something that might or might not happen?
this is USF1 all over again but this time the slot would appear or disappear without the reserve team having any influence on it...to develop a car and prepare for a seaason will easily set you back a few million € ..huh not really attractive if you do not have a guarantee to get a slot...

[Ciro Pabón]

I merged the "If you were the FIA" thread with this one.

[WhiteBlue]

Prodrive eyes Formula One, again
Dave Richards' Prodrive is again eying Formula One.

Prodrive, the British motorsport-specialist company headed by David Richards, says it is actively evaluating a new bid to create a Formula One team after a board meeting heard the pros and cons from commercial director Tony Schulp.

The FIA's rejection of Prodrive and Lola Cars International in the new team-application process last year surprised the British motorsport community, and now both are expected to try again.

Neither intends to make a formal statement until the FIA's closing date for 2011 entries on April 15.

Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/2010040 ... z0jsnbMFM5

Good luck to ProDrive and Dave Richards. F1 needs more manufacturers. I would love to see Aston in 2013 come into F1 on that ticket.

[raceman]

Prodrive eyes Formula One, again
Dave Richards' Prodrive is again eying Formula One.

Prodrive, the British motorsport-specialist company headed by David Richards, says it is actively evaluating a new bid to create a Formula One team after a board meeting heard the pros and cons from commercial director Tony Schulp.

The FIA's rejection of Prodrive and Lola Cars International in the new team-application process last year surprised the British motorsport community, and now both are expected to try again.

Neither intends to make a formal statement until the FIA's closing date for 2011 entries on April 15.

Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/2010040 ... z0jsnbMFM5

Good luck to ProDrive and Dave Richards. F1 needs more manufacturers. I would love to see Aston in 2013 come into F1 on that ticket.

yes pls, right said there!

[ESPImperium]

With Durango officially announcing their application for 2011, i thought it be necassary for this topic to have a thread of its own. Also with Epsilon Euskadi also announcing that they have a intention to enter F1 as well. What teams would you like to see, and discuss their chances as well.

Officially announced as entered/propose to enter:
Durango: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82765
Epsilon Euskadi: http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/11958.html

[Miguel]

I'll fully support Epsilon Euskadi, if only because their main HQ is about 40 km from my parents' home. They've got teams in spanish F3 and in WSR (Kubica won the WSR racing for them), and as the article states, they had an LMP1 entry in Le Mans 2008. They've got some building experience, as well as experienced leading engineers, which is why I was so surprised to see Manor take their place (I thought Prodrive, Epsilon and USF1 were going to get the 2010 positions).

[WhiteBlue]

I suggest we use this thread for the 2011 tender. Why always open a new one?

[Chaparral]

I'll fully support Epsilon Euskadi, if only because their main HQ is about 40 km from my parents' home. They've got teams in spanish F3 and in WSR (Kubica won the WSR racing for them), and as the article states, they had an LMP1 entry in Le Mans 2008. They've got some building experience, as well as experienced leading engineers, which is why I was so surprised to see Manor take their place (I thought Prodrive, Epsilon and USF1 were going to get the 2010 positions).

Miguel theres also a tie in to Penske (Nigel Roebuck Motor Sport mentioned it last year) - this outfit seems together so its probably a good bet it may get a berth in 2011 - still its a dammed expensive business - below find the reported budget for each team in 2009:

Mclaren $483.85 mil
Toyota $411.35 mil
Ferrari $370.75 mil
Renault $346.6 mil
BMW $334.85 mil
Red Bull $200.00 mil
Brawn $162.75 mil
Torro Rosso $160.40 mil
Williams $123.75 mil
Force India $120.25 mil

Food for thought