Alonso full of mistakes.

[Belatti]

Name me one WDC that wasnt a top driver?

The 90% of the F1 drivers are top drivers. Then there are the Ides, Mazzacanes, Marques, Badoers, Inoues, etc...

In between that 90% there are F1 superstars (Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio, Clark, etc...)

Then, these F1 WDC were not superstars but deserved WDCs:

Damon Hill
Keke Rosberg
Denny Hulme
Alan Jones
James Hunt
Jody Schekter
etc, etc

[daijiro]

The Fernando´s problem is more than any other thing the nightmare of his relationship with his "father´s dictatorship" and in secons level his problems with his wife Raquel del Rosario.And the best proof of what I am writing about is the image of Fernando´s face after being out of Q3 is Turkey for those who know him in his karting days explained everything.If you add the problems with the F10 a car is going slower in each GP you have the answer to that.

[marcush.]

after all ,f1drivers are also humans.
some make you think twice though..

if anything I can´t get over Alonsos blackmailing Mclaren so i´d think i will ever be able to have a unblighted view on him .
looking at Robert kunica in the Renault this makes me think twice about Freds qualities as a teamleader ,after I held Robert not to high before Renault.But he now
really has convinced me.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Name me one WDC that wasnt a top driver?

The 90% of the F1 drivers are top drivers. Then there are the Ides, Mazzacanes, Marques, Badoers, Inoues, etc...

In between that 90% there are F1 superstars (Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio, Clark, etc...)

Then, these F1 WDC were not superstars but deserved WDCs:

Damon Hill
Keke Rosberg
Denny Hulme
Alan Jones
James Hunt
Jody Schekter
etc, etc

Rosberg ? Scheckter? Hunt?
No way! Not having that at all, these guys are proper champs, I know its my opinion but I wouldnt want to destroy the thread by wheeling off a tangent and posting hundreds of videos to prove a point.

[Miguel]

J.E.T, he never said those weren't worthy champions, he just said they weren't superstars. I do agree with that point of view. After all, getting the WDC is a team effort. No car, no WDC. Shitty drives, no WDC. Top car plus top drives, WDC (or close).

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

I still will call all othose guys "top" drivers.
Maybe its defintion...

But guys like Senna, Fangio, Schumacher, Prost these guys are greats. Niki Lauda and Mika Hakkinen nest in line for me.

I also think Alonso is a top driver. He may not really be showing it this year, but given time I think he will show his talent again.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

I still will call all othose guys "top" drivers.
Maybe its defintion...

But guys like Senna, Fangio, Schumacher, Prost these guys are greats. Niki Lauda and Mika Hakkinen nest in line for me.

I also think Alonso is a top driver. He may not really be showing it this year, but given time I think he will show his talent again.

[andrew]

Name me one WDC that wasnt a top driver?

The 90% of the F1 drivers are top drivers. Then there are the Ides, Mazzacanes, Marques, Badoers, Inoues, etc...

In between that 90% there are F1 superstars (Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio, Clark, etc...)

Then, these F1 WDC were not superstars but deserved WDCs:

Damon Hill
Keke Rosberg
Denny Hulme
Alan Jones
James Hunt
Jody Schekter
etc, etc

Damon Hill deserved a WDC? No chance. He failed to beat Schumacher with the 94 Williams which was the best car and with some favourable stewarding decisions. He then failed again in 95 with the best car and could only win once all the competition was removed. If it wasn't for team orders JV would have won in 96. And James Hunt wasn't a superstar? The guy was a hard partying playboy!

[andrew]

Name me one WDC that wasnt a top driver?

Nigel Mansell and Damon Hill spring to mind immediately. There is one other but I can't be bothered upsetting the resident troll tonight.

[Miguel]

Damon Hill deserved a WDC? No chance. He failed to beat Schumacher with the 94 Williams which was the best car and with some favourable stewarding decisions. He then failed again in 95 with the best car and could only win once all the competition was removed. If it wasn't for team orders JV would have won in 96. And James Hunt wasn't a superstar? The guy was a hard partying playboy!

Please allow me to disagree. Quite a few people find the B194 the better car that year, at least for half a season. I'm one of those. On the other hand, I'm on your side regarding 1995.

But let's think about it the other way. How many drivers other than Schumacher (one of the all time greats) in the 1994-1996 grid would you say were better than Hill?

[andrew]

But let's think about it the other way. How many drivers other than Schumacher (one of the all time greats) in the 1994-1996 grid would you say were better than Hill?

Several. Just not in the right car.

[marcush.]

But let's think about it the other way. How many drivers other than Schumacher (one of the all time greats) in the 1994-1996 grid would you say were better than Hill?

Several. Just not in the right car.

Schumacher managed to be in the best team for such a long time is nothing else than one of his talents that made him 7 times champion.That was not luck.
To be in the right car and attract the right people into your team and motivate them to go that extra mile is a very important part for every driver.
the idea some drivers have:I could win that WDC in that car is pure nonsense ,who would have signed for Brawn in the winter of 2008?
Maybe it is possible to come into a very good settled outfit and start winning instantly ,maybe even win the championship but we must not forget Schumacher came into Bennetton when they not really were chalenging for wins and the same was true
with Ferrari .

[xpensive]

Myself, I have always wondered about Keke Rosberg, the 1982 WDC was sheer luck, Ferrari drivers crashing and what not, only one win.

When he made that poorly considered choice to move from Williams to McLaren for the 1986 season, he was completely thrashed by Prost.

[Chaparral]

Myself, I have always wondered about Keke Rosberg, the 1982 WDC was sheer luck, Ferrari drivers crashing and what not, only one win.

When he made that poorly considered choice to move from Williams to McLaren for the 1986 season, he was completely thrashed by Prost.

G'day X - i remember that season well and (luckily saw the guy drive he was tremendous) and he had balls I remember where he stubbed out his Marlboro fag out back of the pits at Silverstone and hpped in the Williams and at an average speed of 160.9 miles per hour (258.9 km/h) set a record lap average that stood for a number of years - yes he had 1 win but also a string of podium/points finishes - I dont think you can say his WDC was undeserved - as for the move to Mclaren - Prost had that sown up well before he got there and then Prost was screwed not long after by Senna and his ties with Honda.........sounds like a soap opera doesnt it

[xpensive]

Yo Chap, The 1982 season had 11 winners, Keke won the "Swiss" GP at Dijon with an atmo Cosworth, which was an achievement in itself.
I agree that his political incorrectness was very refreshing, like when he was telling journos in 1983 that Williams' developments were limited to guesswork.(!)

However, leaving Williams for McLaren for the 1986 season was outright stupid, he was still the man for Patrick and Frank and he would surely have won the WDC had he stayed.