Alonso full of mistakes.

[internetf1fan]

He must be getting pretty desperate. Chopping into Button, jumping the start. Crashing in FP3 and then losing out in Q2 because he couldn't handle the pressure. So much for Alonso being better than Kimi.

[Pandamasque]

So is he overrated or desperate or both?

[WhiteBlue]

desperately overrated

[Tim.Wright]

We really really don't need another one of these threads...

[segedunum]

He's under a lot of ressure, no doubt about it.

He's there because of Santander's sponsorship and Ferrari desperately wanted it, not because Ferrari thought he was better than Raikkonen, but given the 'official' soundbites that came out around the reasoning for that Ferrari are having to firefight by saying they're absolutely happy with their signing - which you have to do. On top of that the Ferrari has simply dropped behind. It is everyone's dream to drive for Ferrari.......as long as they're winning.

I know everyone is saying that Massa is the one under pressure, but that's based on how much time he seems to be behind sometimes, not results.

[lebesset]

never fear ....he is the luckiest driver in F1 , something will happen to open the door for him , as normal

[ringo]

I don't see how raikonen comes into this. Raikonen was a bit more consistent, but lets remember it's Alonso's first year with ferrari. He definitely can perform in the race, but his out of race mistakes are the issue. Especially in braking maneuvers.
I think he is suffering from the same sickness as Vettel; his ego is pressuring him to out class his teammate and that narrows his focus and causes him to overdrive the car.

Looking at Vettel in the post qauli interview was painful. He was trying to explain why he was not faster than Webber today. We know he is faster, but his mistakes are what's costing him. Alonso just needs to relax like Lewis and ignore his teammate.

[segedunum]

Well, Ferrari have had to firefight the mistakes and the soundbites they used to justify Alonso's arrival by saying they have complete confidence in his ability. They can't say anything else. In reality he's there because of the sponsorship and because he's Latin, not because they especially believe he's better than Raikkonen, Kubica, Hamilton or anyone else.

Given the water that's passed under the bridge he will inevitably be compared to other drivers and his predecessors given that Alonso was supposed to solve everything. The final piece of the jigsaw. Oh, and those six tenths were what really sealed the deal........

[ringo]

His ability and appeal is definitely there. Raikonen is good very good, but he lacks the marketability and drive that Alonso has. Redbull see him the same way and rather keep Mark. Imagine Kimi doing the grand prix previews on the simmulator?

I could see Raikonen making less mistakes as well in quali, but i think his mistakes come in the race. Alonso is better in the race.
He seems to be a little quicker than raikonen too, if we compare their speeds with Massa as the standard.
I am feeling a little sorry for Alonso though, so many points wasted.

[WhiteBlue]

Looking at Vettel in the post qauli interview was painful. He was trying to explain why he was not faster than Webber today. We know he is faster, but his mistakes are what's costing him.

A broken damper or rod is not Vettel's mistake. This is pure speculation and bad speculation as it is!

[ISLAMATRON]

never fear ....he is the luckiest driver in F1 , something will happen to open the door for him , as normal

Everyone will start running the Pirellis while Ferrari will threaten to leave F1 unless they get to run Michilen and the stay puff Michilen man will get him some more WDC's

I love the spaghetti MISmanagement

[ISLAMATRON]

I am feeling a little sorry for Alonso though, so many points wasted.

sorry for him why? He is up in the luck points catagory not down... free points(and a win) from Vettle in Bahrain, caused an accident and got free points from Austrailia, Had a DNF in Malaysia when he was barely gonna get any points anyway, Free points from LH's & SV's problems in Spain... first lap SC letting him get free points in Monaco after stuffing it in the wall.

No need to be sorry for Alonso, he has been the luckiest driver on the grid pointswise all season... and now comes the reckoning.

[segedunum]

His ability and appeal is definitely there. Raikonen is good very good, but he lacks the marketability and drive that Alonso has. Redbull see him the same way and rather keep Mark. Imagine Kimi doing the grand prix previews on the simmulator?

It depends on what your image is, but it's funny how things outside of driver ability come into play. They'll have to trade that off against results I feel as the season wears on. When things are closer I'm not convinced of Red Bull's driver pairing. They both seem to overdrive the car.

He seems to be a little quicker than raikonen too, if we compare their speeds with Massa as the standard.

It's not much of a benchmark to be honest. Alonso is much more of a political animal and he would have been more than happy to see Massa's political ally Schumacher leave. Massa is under pressure but at the moment Alonso is making things a lot easier despite him liking that Ferrari rather better. That current Ferrari is miles better than the one last year.

I am feeling a little sorry for Alonso though, so many points wasted.

Well, they're his faults and his mistakes, not the team's, other than that Ferrari has fallen behind performance-wise but not quite by that much. He's had some luck with the points he's scored as well.

[WhiteBlue]

Everyone will start running the Pirellis while Ferrari will threaten to leave F1 unless they get to run Michilen and the stay puff Michilen man will get some more WDC's

I love the spaghetti MISmanagement

When it comes to shambolic, think back to 2008 in Singapore and we saw Ferrari head down the pit lane with the fuel hose behind. Then when they fitted four wet tyres to Kimi Raikkonen on a bone-dry track and you had the poor guy on the radio saying, ‘I can’t drive the car’. They’re completely reverting to type. It is all going back to what it was before Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher were there.

[noname]

I don't see how raikonen comes into this. Raikonen was a bit more consistent, but lets remember it's Alonso's first year with ferrari.

Kimi gave Ferrari the title in his first year in the red car, and the team was going trough quite radical changes back then.