Sorry, what do you think is illegal here? In fact, what are you showing that hasn't been discussed in this thread already?SICK AL wrote:the secret of the red bull performance.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 1169304001
really nice car but it´s still illegally.
What about it is illegal?SICK AL wrote:hi, have registered here a few minutes ago. sorry, didn´t read the thread, was just looking for some info´s and pics. can´t remenber that anybody has posted this monza pic and the piola animation. i know that lots of people know the red bull facts. of course the RB7 is illegal.
There have been discussions about this in previous pages. Basically that picture from Monza raised eyebrows because of the wear of the splitter. Normally one would have expected the wear to be focussed mainly on the edge of the splitter with the high amount of rake that RBR run.SICK AL wrote:hi, have registered here a few minutes ago. sorry, didn´t read the thread, was just looking for some info´s and pics. can´t remenber that anybody has posted this monza pic and the piola animation. i know that lots of people know the red bull facts. of course the RB7 is illegal.
yeah, i know scarbs site. he´s doing allways a good job. just wanted to post the animation of giorgio piola.Vasco wrote:There have been discussions about this in previous pages. Basically that picture from Monza raised eyebrows because of the wear of the splitter. Normally one would have expected the wear to be focussed mainly on the edge of the splitter with the high amount of rake that RBR run.SICK AL wrote:hi, have registered here a few minutes ago. sorry, didn´t read the thread, was just looking for some info´s and pics. can´t remenber that anybody has posted this monza pic and the piola animation. i know that lots of people know the red bull facts. of course the RB7 is illegal.
Here is scarb's analysis: http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/10/1 ... ndal-2011/
of course lots of parts are swinging. but there is a difference between usual swinging and flexing. the ferrari frontwing is flexing too. but not as well as the red bull one. in the past renault, mclaren and ferrari used again and again flexible wings, and it was still illegal.wesley123 wrote:where it states that? Yes the rules state with no amount of movement at all but we all know that is impossibleSICK AL wrote:flexible frontwing and flexible underfloor is illegal.
Yes, unfortunately the FIA were pretty useless last year at policing their own rules, and thus it looks like the same will transpire again this year.Vasco wrote:I would see this more as a loop hole that Red Bull exploited and not an illegal item. The precedent was set last year with the issues around flexible bodywork, that still passed the FIA tests.
every part is swinging on earth, me too. while the engine is runnig, the cars is swinging depending on the rpm. every frontwing and splitter is swinging a little bit, but newey constructed some parts, which are elastic. this parts moving under a defined force to the ground and back if the force becomes small enough. the fia tests were not representative cause the wings are moving while a higher value is reached.wesley123 wrote:I do not see any difference between swinging and flexing. Plus you are immediately declaring all these flexi wings legal, since these dont 'flex' they 'swing'
myurr wrote:Yes, unfortunately the FIA were pretty useless last year at policing their own rules, and thus it looks like the same will transpire again this year.Vasco wrote:I would see this more as a loop hole that Red Bull exploited and not an illegal item. The precedent was set last year with the issues around flexible bodywork, that still passed the FIA tests.
Do not be under any illusions that if the car is operating in this way that it is legal - the FIA have just been unable to catch Red Bull. A hopeless police force does not make the fraudster innocent.
oh in that way. That is legal because it is based on the cars own motion, it isnt based on the surrounding environment, the flexi wing does.SICK AL wrote:every part is swinging on earth, me too. while the engine is runnig, the cars is swinging depending on the rpm. every frontwing and splitter is swinging a little bit, but newey constructed some parts, which are elastic. this parts moving under a defined force to the ground and back if the force becomes small enough. the fia tests were not representative cause the wings are moving while a higher value is reached.wesley123 wrote:I do not see any difference between swinging and flexing. Plus you are immediately declaring all these flexi wings legal, since these dont 'flex' they 'swing'
