Union for F1 workers?

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Been reading some team principal complaining about the tough 20 races calender being force down by Bernie. i am just curious if it will make sense for F1 to form some kinda of union for fight against ridicules work schedules.

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The last I saw Whitmarsh had said "it's not doable unless we start having alternating teams of mechanics", and Bernie had taken that not as "wow, that would be expensive" but instead as "okay, why don't we alternate EU and fly away races - everyone can have an EU and a fly away team.".

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It's called FOTA.

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FOTA is an owners association, not a labour association. Admittedly on this topic FOTA would champion the cause for both worker and owner.

I wonder if the mechanics are members of the normal engineering trade unions? Having said that they wouldn't get much benefit because trade unions are really focussed on employers who cut corners which endangers workers conditions. In F1 it is in the owners interests to not cut corners as that leads to mistakes and a drop in in quality.

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Anyone stupid enough to still believe in unions is way too dumb to be currently employed in a position of responsibility with any 21st-century F1 team.

So with nothing more than the gleaming power of pure logic, we see your question promptly answers itself.

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last year a HRT engineer fell asleep whilst walking down the stairs at a race as he hadnt slept for 72 hours

lotus engineers were told that they had to work 8am till 10pm at least and the people at the factory have to work 56 hors a week but are only paid for 40

so i think somthing needs to be done

conni

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conni - that's why I wondered if they were members of a mech eng union. We'd all expect F1 to be tougher than a 9-5 job, but there are limits to when it becomes stupid.

feynman - I'm not sure where you are located, but unions have a valid role to play to ensure people are fairly treated. The bulk of their activities is making sure people are paid what they are owned and that their health is not at risk.

Sure there are a few public sector union boss out of the old school, but their headline grabbing is a distraction from the real task of ensuring people go home to their families with a pay packet instead of in a box with nothing.

It helps the public too, we have doctors who no longer work 72 hour shifts, and HGV drivers who take rest breaks. Am I stupid to "believe" in that?

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conni wrote:last year a HRT engineer fell asleep whilst walking down the stairs at a race as he hadnt slept for 72 hours

lotus engineers were told that they had to work 8am till 10pm at least and the people at the factory have to work 56 hors a week but are only paid for 40

so i think somthing needs to be done

conni
welcome to racing.

Do you really think that if the car is not running these guys are just going to go back to there hotel room after 8hr? With the waiting list of people who would kill to be on an F1 team I doubt a union would last to long.

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Cry me a river. NASCAR races 36 events a season, same crew is on the road every week for all of them. Working 55+ hours a week is no biggie.

No need for unions and BS like that.

As for working 56 hours and being paid for 40... yeah, welcome to salaried engineering. Not unique the motorsports. 7am-6pm Monday through Friday (55 hr) is pretty easy. 65-70+ is when it starts to wear you down.
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I'd like to think that having even the chance to work in F1 is such a privillege, that there really isn't any need for something like this.

I'd kill for a job in F1 after my studies.
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richard_leeds wrote:feynman - I'm not sure where you are located, but unions have a valid role to play to ensure people are fairly treated.
And that's exactly the groundless assertion contained in the original post that should be challenged.

This whole union malarkey is nothing more than the noisy exhaust gas from the real engine of progress: modern, post-enlightenment, industrial-age prosperity.
That prosperity, the creation of a brand-new middle-class, the skilled taskwork that creates massive surplus wealth in free markets, all conspired to provide the fiscal and psychological elbow-room, the necessary climate for late 19th century western societies to facilitate improved working conditions.
Having unions trying to horn in and take credit for something they were only impotent witness to, and sometimes opponents of, is unsightly.


It makes little sense to suggest that brutal working environments or child-labour or all the rest of the exploitations were somehow considered acceptable or desirable in any of the centuries prior to the 19th. Apparently in all that time, from pyramid building till steam engine, the penny never dropped, no-one thought to simply form a union and bring about modern working conditions.
Contemporary sub-Saharan African doesn't need more unions, it needs more prosperity, which powers social mobility, fairness, equality and liberty.


F1 engineers and mechanics have highly salable skills on the open market, highly regarded knowledge and easily transferable behaviours.
As self-actualised individuals at or near the pinnacle of their chosen career, self-motivated and independent, they have all they require to make their own decisions, their own career choices, for themselves, and posses the ability to communicate any dissatisfaction to their respective employers in a constructive fashion.
If the F1 lifestyle becomes too arduous, they can freely decide what remedy to take. If teams even begin to sense a potential risk of losing valued staff, working conditions will self-correct exactly as required.
None of this requires some ludicrously re-animated collectivist cloth-capped bollocks from the 1970s. "Everybody out!"

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conni wrote:last year a HRT engineer fell asleep whilst walking down the stairs at a race as he hadnt slept for 72 hours
By the way, I thought mechanic hours were limited at race weekends for this very reason?

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feynman wrote:And that's exactly the groundless assertion contained in the original post that should be challenged.

This whole union malarkey is nothing more than the noisy exhaust gas from the real engine of progress: modern, post-enlightenment, industrial-age prosperity.
That prosperity, the creation of a brand-new middle-class, the skilled taskwork that creates massive surplus wealth in free markets, all conspired to provide the fiscal and psychological elbow-room, the necessary climate for late 19th century western societies to facilitate improved working conditions.
Having unions trying to horn in and take credit for something they were only impotent witness to, and sometimes opponents of, is unsightly.


It makes little sense to suggest that brutal working environments or child-labour or all the rest of the exploitations were somehow considered acceptable or desirable in any of the centuries prior to the 19th. Apparently in all that time, from pyramid building till steam engine, the penny never dropped, no-one thought to simply form a union and bring about modern working conditions.
Contemporary sub-Saharan African doesn't need more unions, it needs more prosperity, which powers social mobility, fairness, equality and liberty.


F1 engineers and mechanics have highly salable skills on the open market, highly regarded knowledge and easily transferable behaviours.
As self-actualised individuals at or near the pinnacle of their chosen career, self-motivated and independent, they have all they require to make their own decisions, their own career choices, for themselves, and posses the ability to communicate any dissatisfaction to their respective employers in a constructive fashion.
If the F1 lifestyle becomes too arduous, they can freely decide what remedy to take. If teams even begin to sense a potential risk of losing valued staff, working conditions will self-correct exactly as required.
None of this requires some ludicrously re-animated collectivist cloth-capped bollocks from the 1970s. "Everybody out!"
A very pretty, but horribly misguided and woefully uninformed statement.

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Does anyone know how well are the F1 engineers being paid as compared to those say industrial, aviation or automotive industry?

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CHT wrote:Does anyone know how well are the F1 engineers being paid as compared to those say industrial, aviation or automotive industry?
I believe its less compared to say aerospace for the same job. Worse hours ect. Id sign up in a heartbeat