F1 on a wet race - technical challenges

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F1 on a wet race - technical challenges

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What will happen on the cockpit on a wet race ? I'm thinking about bath tube

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How can they manage the flooded cockpit ?

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The air wash over the cockpit keeps most of the water out - like driving in a convertible in the rain at high speed.

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im sure they would have a venturi drain or something aswell
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Websta wrote:The air wash over the cockpit keeps most of the water out - like driving in a convertible in the rain at high speed.
Plus the air coming out of the cockpit from the cooling vent helps as well.
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I'll put this in this topic, but is there anything F1 can do so that the cars are better in the wet. There seems to be a trend, psychologically but also physically...of the cars being unable to perform in wet conditions. We're seeing more red flags and safety cars then ever before.

We've heard of talks about 'monsoon' tyres and such, but are these cars really that bad in the wet these days?

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Websta wrote:The air wash over the cockpit keeps most of the water out - like driving in a convertible in the rain at high speed.
yes, that might works at high speed, but how about in slow corner, pit lane ? even on a light rain, i believe there will be a water build up in the base of the cockpit

the air might wash the water, but it might be possible to enter into the airbox, imo
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King Six wrote:We've heard of talks about 'monsoon' tyres and such, but are these cars really that bad in the wet these days?
My memory is semi-rusty on this; but didn't they use to have monsoon tyres?
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Yes they ran Monsoon tires before.

The full wets are a hybrid of full wets and monsoon tires from what i understand.
But it´s not enough they need a tire with atleast 20mm extra rubber from a slick.

Now it´s Inter: 5mm, Full Wet: 10mm
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agungn51 wrote:
Websta wrote:The air wash over the cockpit keeps most of the water out - like driving in a convertible in the rain at high speed.
yes, that might works at high speed, but how about in slow corner, pit lane ? even on a light rain, i believe there will be a water build up in the base of the cockpit

the air might wash the water, but it might be possible to enter into the airbox, imo
They are still doing pretty high speeds down the pitlane and even in hair pins - the pitlane speed limit is typically either 80km or 100km depending on the track. The slowest corner in F1 in Monaco is still something like 60kmh. The airwash is still quite powerful. They might collect a few ml of water during the actual pitstops though, or as they line up on the grid. I remember Brundle making a comment about how bad it is to drive whilst sitting in a puddle of water during the Malaysian GP in 2009 so perhaps they don't have a drainage system in place. I wouldn't expect much water to accumulate anyway.

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King Six wrote:I'll put this in this topic, but is there anything F1 can do so that the cars are better in the wet. There seems to be a trend, psychologically but also physically...of the cars being unable to perform in wet conditions. We're seeing more red flags and safety cars then ever before.

We've heard of talks about 'monsoon' tyres and such, but are these cars really that bad in the wet these days?
Truth be said, those red flags and safety cars are partly due to risk aversion from race control.
Today we had the safety car come out after 3 cars missed a bit of a corner and run into a bit of harmless tarmac. In old days they were allowed to run in much harsher conditions, but that is not the case anynmore.
It was similar last year. Now the cars barely get to run in wet tires. Shortly after it is wet enough to change from inters to full wets, the race gets neutralized because it is "too wet". Only if it is quite wet but not too much does it go on, but the Goldilocks zone is very narrow.
Same at the restart of the race, and it happened last year too, by the time race direction decides to call the safety car in, the drivers are discussing whether to change to inters already, meaning again that they only make 1-2 laps in full wets and that the safety car could have allowed them to race earlier.

What is the point of having a wet tire if they are not allowed to race in wet conditions? As it is now, the decision of when to change to the full wets hinges not only on whether it is wet enough, but also on whether the race will be red-flagged soon if it gets really, really wet.
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raymondu999 wrote:
King Six wrote:We've heard of talks about 'monsoon' tyres and such, but are these cars really that bad in the wet these days?
My memory is semi-rusty on this; but didn't they use to have monsoon tyres?
Back in the good year days there was Monsoons, they were good tyres, however drivers were allocated 2 sets per weekend and the treaded rubber was half an inch thick and was quite hard, intact they were hard enough to last around 350Km to 400Km so drivers could do a couple of quali runs and then do the race if the rain was heavy enough.

They were good, however unpredictable due to consistency of the tyres. Drivers always had issues as one got a good set and another not so good in the same team.

I think Monsoons could make a comeback if Pirelli needed, i think they would be a lot more consistent now.

However id like teams to run a hand-cut slick if needed, which would be a god send in mixed conditions.

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I completely agree that the current situation is pathetic. They red flag a race for any reason these days. Bring back the monsoon tyres, even let them raise the ride height during pitstops if necessary, just stop red flagging everything!

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010010011010 wrote:I completely agree that the current situation is pathetic. They red flag a race for any reason these days. Bring back the monsoon tyres, even let them raise the ride height during pitstops if necessary, just stop red flagging everything!
I thought the red flag at Malaysia was quite justified.

If you can't see, you can't see. How much more to it is there? Doesn't make for a good race if it's a parade from a visibility standpoint.
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010010011010 wrote:I completely agree that the current situation is pathetic. They red flag a race for any reason these days. Bring back the monsoon tyres, even let them raise the ride height during pitstops if necessary, just stop red flagging everything!
How are the drivers supposed to see? They can barely see as it is, and are basically guessing where to go. They can't see apexes until they are on them.

A Bridgestone Extreme Wet tire is not nearly as deep a tread as a Goodyear Monsoon Wet tire, and the BS pumps about 60 liters of water per second per tire. Some out the sides, much straight up into the air. Now take the Monsoon tire and decrease the ability to see by pumping more water in the air, while increasing the ability to go more quickly.

Its not a reasonably safe race to run like that in my and all the drivers opinions.

I don't think its because a lack of brass.
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In the "good old years" there were some races red flagged, if I recall... :roll:
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