Pull-rod for every other team next year?

[Nando]

So it seems Ferrari has proven that mechanically it works just as good as a push rod suspension, they don´t seem to have problems with tire wear, no problems with making the tires click, no severe graining or other tire related issues.

So if the pull-rod is as good as a push rod performance wise, you then end up with one or two pro´s like a little better CoG and slightly better aerodynamics in that area.

So my question to you is, will everyone follow suit next year or will Ferrari abandon the idea?

I think we might see a couple of teams following Ferrari, especially RBR and Mclaren. I think at the very least this is something they are looking it right now. But for next years car obviously.

[xpensive]

There is no way of telling how fast Alonso would have been with push-rods this year, mind-boggling actually.

[Nando]

There is no way of telling how fast Alonso would have been with push-rods this year, mind-boggling actually.

[flynfrog]

There is no way of telling how fast Alonso would have been with push-rods this year, mind-boggling actually.

2-3 seconds at least?

[Neno]

Ferrari only prove it that front pull-rod can work atleast good as push-rod. Specialy when Ferrari was team with slow tyres wear, now they can extract better tyers wear in single lap (and not so good, average in race). Also, I think next year maybe one or two teams will join Ferrari with front pull-rod, but 2014. maybe even more teams. With turbo engines v6, who will weight more then v8, with pull-rod suspension you can even more low CoG of the car, and i think that will be one of crucial directions for developing 2014 cars.

[PlatinumZealot]

It is a no-brainer.

[sknguy]

There is no way of telling how fast Alonso would have been with push-rods this year, mind-boggling actually.

Well.... I think he's pondering a double or triple pullrod assembly myself?

In all seriousness though, it seems to simply fit Ferrari's aero package. Ferrari don't seem to have tire wear issues outside the norm since they sussed out the exhaust issue. I'd thought the pullrod might show us something, but their Monaco finish didn't show any particular advantage/disadvantage mechanically.

[munudeges]

There is no way of telling how fast Alonso would have been with push-rods this year, mind-boggling actually.

Indeed we don't.

It's always amusing to see the band-wagon jumpers look at a car that seems to have improved and pick out the most visually apparent difference and start making baseless assumptions that that is what other teams need to copy. Mind you, even most teams aren't immune to that either.

There isn't any evidence at all that Ferrari are getting anything out of this. The only thing we can be sure of is they have got it working passably to the point where it isn't a handicap, but there are still good sound reasons why it is a mechanically inferior solution. The only argument I have heard is 'it's as good as a push-rod'.

[Nando]

There is no way of telling how fast Alonso would have been with push-rods this year, mind-boggling actually.

Indeed we don't.

It's always amusing to see the band-wagon jumpers look at a car that seems to have improved and pick out the most visually apparent difference and start making baseless assumptions that that is what other teams need to copy. Mind you, even most teams aren't immune to that either.

There isn't any evidence at all that Ferrari are getting anything out of this. The only thing we can be sure of is they have got it working passably to the point where it isn't a handicap, but there are still good sound reasons why it is a mechanically inferior solution. The only argument I have heard is 'it's as good as a push-rod'.

Mind you the Ferrari is not the quickest car just yet so the bandwagon thing is pure BS.
Perhaps i should have made a thread about RBR´s exhaust instead?

Relax... everyone was downing the pull rod front suspension when it came out.
Nothing has been proven that it´s not as good mechanically as a push-rod suspension.

What is proven though is a aerodynamic advantage and perhaps a minute CoG advantage.

[xpensive]

To my humble mind, the only thing that has been proven so far is that Scuderia Alonso can make almost anything look good.

[Holm86]

I believe at least 2 teams will have pull rod front next season.

[Nando]

To my humble mind, the only thing that has been proven so far is that Scuderia Alonso can make almost anything look good.

Ahh you mean like in China..

Or does it only count when Alonso does really well on track? Or the usual "he outperformed the car!!" when it´s techincally impossible to outperform a car.

Don´t get me wrong, Alonso is the best. But please be consistent in your thinking.
You can´t blame the pull rod when things go bad then when things go well and the car is competitive it´s all of a sudden Alonso..

[coaster]

I reckon ferrari will ditch it.

[Lycoming]

So it seems Ferrari has proven that mechanically it works just as good as a push rod suspension

Well, this was already well known for some time...

The advantages of switching to pullrod front is very small. Then again, it's not terribly difficult or time consuming to make the swap. I would not be surprised to see a few more teams make the switch, though I doubt it well become anywhere near universal.

[marcush.]

still Not a single car now on the grid has retained push rod at the rear....after endless discussions failed to come up with anything that would justify all competitors would ditch the well established practise to have push rod at the rear.
Is it monkey see monkey do or is there a significant gain to pullrod we just don´t realise.
I feel packaging wise it´s a lot more involved to go for pullrod at the rear but modern tools allow you to be a bit more ambitous methinks.