Would you like F1 races without telemtery?

[PlatinumZealot]

Just thinking back on Massa's loss of telemetry today. Massa said he could manage the car no problem. I was just thinking will F1 be more exciting without Feedback to the Engineers/Driver during the race? Or is there some disadvantage to it?

"It was unfortunate (to lose the telemetry), but the degradation was high today and we were in a difficult position and putting that on the table it was a good result for the team," he told Sky Sports.

"They couldn't see me on the track from start to finish but everything they were telling me I was doing on the steering wheel and I don't think it was a big problem. The biggest problem was the tyres.

"I expected better degradation, but I think it was a good result for us, third and fourth, for the team it was a good result."

[mep]

Or is there some disadvantage to it

Yes, the engineers will be sacked.

[Lycoming]

I don't see how it would make it more exciting.

[Jersey Tom]

No, I wouldn't like it. Wouldn't make it at all more exciting. Just because ONE driver at ONE race did OK without a stream to their engineers doesn't mean much.

For one there are some safety concerns. If you've punctured a tire it's better to be aware of it and bring the car in rather than have it blow and trash your car (and/or others).

Beyond that - why would you want to neuter the engineering aspect of the sport? In the open wheel community, F1 is supposed to have the best drivers, best designers and fabricators, and best track engineers is it not? More power to the team who has the best race engineers and can leverage their data to its maximum potential.

[xxChrisxx]

To be fair, racing on the whole is more exciting when it is unpredictable. Having less knowledge makes planning and risk mitigation strategies more difficult to implement. Not having any telemetry (more specifically the gps related data showing exactly where everyone is) means you can't plan ahead with the same precision race engineers can now.


Then all that happens is your men with laptops are redeployed with stopwatches and binoculars. The question then would be, do you want to take technology back to the 60's?

I think it's a good idea, just not for F1.

[Dragonfly]

It's not the telemetry that does not come to my liking but the excessive baby sitting of the drivers by their race engineers.

[RB7ate9]

To be fair, racing on the whole is more exciting when it is unpredictable. Having less knowledge makes planning and risk mitigation strategies more difficult to implement. Not having any telemetry (more specifically the gps related data showing exactly where everyone is) means you can't plan ahead with the same precision race engineers can now.


Then all that happens is your men with laptops are redeployed with stopwatches and binoculars. The question then would be, do you want to take technology back to the 60's?

I think it's a good idea, just not for F1.

A new race series where drivers have a HUD displaying information directly to them, alone, would be interesting. Then the driver would have to make all of the calls to the pits. This series should then have longer laps with some more long straights so that the drivers would have some breathing room to actually assess the information. With the HUD, it can either be projected onto the interior of the helmet visor or on a forward plate under a canopy a la modern plane cockpits. It would eventually be more like playing a video game (considering the amount of information displayed) than just driving a car.

[Greg Locock]

I'd suggest removing the tachometer as obviously a better driver will be able to decide when to change gear himself, and the added unpredictability of engines blowing up due to excessive redlining will improve the race. Fuel gauges and fuel metering on the pumps should also be removed to aid unpredictability.

[johnny99]

No, I wouldn't like it. Wouldn't make it at all more exciting. Just because ONE driver at ONE race did OK without a stream to their engineers doesn't mean much.

For one there are some safety concerns. If you've punctured a tire it's better to be aware of it and bring the car in rather than have it blow and trash your car (and/or others).

Beyond that - why would you want to neuter the engineering aspect of the sport? In the open wheel community, F1 is supposed to have the best drivers, best designers and fabricators, and best track engineers is it not? More power to the team who has the best race engineers and can leverage their data to its maximum potential.

I completly agree, as a fan of F1, there's more to it than driving. The tech race is as important to me as "real race"

John

[marcush.]

I'd suggest removing the tachometer as obviously a better driver will be able to decide when to change gear himself, and the added unpredictability of engines blowing up due to excessive redlining will improve the race. Fuel gauges and fuel metering on the pumps should also be removed to aid unpredictability.

engine blowups due to redlining? I always thought the downshifts are the rod stetchers...if you turn back time you will need to increase safety margins for the affected components and that´s about it..who needs to see blown engines or broken gearboxes to help the drama ....
I´d think we have too many technical dnfs already this year.it would be annoying to have even more.
telemetry -yes or no-who cares.Most people don´t realise anyways.And as long as Rosberg is entering the pits becuase of tyres without grip and his pit crew realising his tyres are barely used ...I question if all teams use the tools available correctly.am i asking too much of say 5 guys observing say 200 available data channels ? I´d guess it is quite easy to highlight any channel or combination of channels that don´t log what you expect to see...
somewhere i read Buttons dilemma was a mismatch in temperature of front and rear tyre temps..which they sorted...Jesus christ ...I can lower or rise temps of tires as I want .if you don´t understand the mechanisms leading to higher or lower tyre temps or you don´t understand the term balance in this context you may need a new job -certainly race engineer is not what I would propose...so the telemetry thing has maybe less of an impact as we are made to believe...or as some chief engineer of marussia put it :we don´t have strategy prediction -so we cannot do fancy things in that regard .....yes please let me know for what reason you got a brain and creativity? My feeling is too much information is more harm than benefit for most people as it is very easy to lose focus on important things.

I give one example:I witnessed a quite interesting drama unfolding at one of my favorite tracks with my favorite team .U happened to hear the radio and could see the telemtry screens as well as the work of the mechanics.
during a pacecar period the driver reported a sudden pull to one side and the steering no more pointing straight and behaving strangely .
The engineers-all well respected guys were completely clueless what might have haoppened. The mechanics ripped open the lista cabinets and pulled out front uprights toelinks and what have you...and i started to ask myself what they were chasing .

The car came in and they swarmed over it .....but you could actually SEE the rear tyre no more centered in the REAR Wheelhousing .Well,I was a guest in the pit ,so no ways I was going to intervene ,but the car went out and stranded with a broken bellhousing a few miles later ....what does it tell? I really admire those guys engineers mechanics drivers of that team (which does not exist anymore ,sad as it is)but at times i was baffled how they got surprised .

[bhall]

For a board of F1 fans, there sure are an awful lot of folks around here who seem to want to remove the F1 from F1.

There are other racing series, you know.

[RB7ate9]

For a board of F1 fans, there sure are an awful lot of folks around here who seem to want to remove the F1 from F1.

There are other racing series, you know.

Every time a new thread comes up with the general "how about F1 with/without X, Y, and/or Z" and I just, kindly, suggest a new racing series utilizing their recommendations. It allows for more imagination than trying to adjust the whole of F1 to these often outrageous changes. Who knows? perhaps someone with far more connections and money than I will read it and make that series.

[Ral]

It's not the telemetry that does not come to my liking but the excessive baby sitting of the drivers by their race engineers.

I think Massa and Smedley just kind of happened to catch the limelight a bit. But I've been listening to the pitradio video edits on f1pitradio.com (he's been asked to stop now by FOM ), and there's a properly staggering amount of stuff the drivers have to do in addition to driving the car, preferably quite fast. Not just the brake bias and diff locks and tyre temps and kers harvesting and usage and engine maps and drs usage and is it available or not that gets talked about in race coverage. But there are loads of procedural things they have to keep in mind when coming in and leaving the pit and even while just driving to make sure the car doesn't go outside its operating window.

It was really interesting hearing it all without the time-delay and I hope FOM offer the guy/gal who did it a job to keep making those edits.

[ESPImperium]

Personally id like to see live telemetry kurbed, as to me there is too much of it for me.

Id like to see data streams that teams can manage put down to 64 or 128 streams. Id neuter the engineers in that respect, however id make allow the engineers to take a data slurp at pit stops and take a full telemetry read out after every race.

I think teams baby sit their drivers too much, but id allow certain streams for safety.

Im thinking that in regard to Vettels alternator problems at Monza, things like this should not be allowed to be monitored, and thus resulting in Vettel loosing a engine, or Renault looking at a better alternator cooling solution.

[Greg Locock]

random sarcasm

engine blowups ...

I'd heard that irony doesn't work on the internet. Now I've seen it in action. My apologies. Removing the rev counter and fuel gauges from cars in order to add unpredictability to the race as desired by some here was supposed to be a completely ludicrous suggestion. Again, my apologies.