Team mate qualifying comparisons

[feni_remmen]

Anyone got any info on qualifying comparisons for the year? Between teammates?
Obviously Sweet FA and Lewis are crushing their teammates, but it would be interesting to see some lists and justifications for the relative performance differences!

[LionKing]

Anyone got any info on qualifying comparisons for the year? Between teammates?
Obviously Sweet FA and Lewis are crushing their teammates, but it would be interesting to see some lists and justifications for the relative performance differences!

Hamilton - Button 12 - 2*
Vettel - Webber 8 - 6
Schumacher Rosberg 8 - 6
Grosjean - Kimi 8 - 5
Alonso - Massa 13 - 1

*Hamilton DSQ from Spain.

[LionKing]

If points were rewarded based on qualifying results before grid* :

Hamilton 221
Vettel 166
Button 133
Alonso 124
Webber 118
Schumacher 112
Grosjean 96
Rosberg 93
Kimi 81
Massa 45

* Note Hamilton was disqualified in Spain so need to shift Spain Qualy results up by one position.

** Interestingly 67 of Button's 133 came from the last 4 races alone. After the first few races, he had a terrible run in qualifying in the first half of the season.

[Nando]

I am doing one that calculates the time deficit in a different way rather then calculating "average time"

Basically ALO beats Massa with 1 second at SPA in Q.
the race after Massa beats ALO with half a second in Q.

= -0.5s advantage Alonso.
It´s pretty interesting to see how tight and big it is between drivers. Here´s the full list.

[snoop1050]

more proof that schumacher is to old for f1 and should retire because rosberg is dominating him and tarnishing schumachers legendary status amongst the viewers

[flynfrog]

more proof that schumacher is to old for f1 and should retire because rosberg is dominating him and tarnishing schumachers legendary status amongst the viewers

funny the well thought out and researched posts above yours that use real data and metrics don't agree with you. Maybe you could put a little thought and research into your posts before posting again. We generally don't like pointless driver bashing drivel on this site.

[Nando]

more proof that schumacher is to old for f1 and should retire because rosberg is dominating him and tarnishing schumachers legendary status amongst the viewers

Did you even read the post above yours?

[Shrieker]

Hamilton has put more gap into Button than Alonso has to Massa ? Seems legit.

It's so close between the FI's, Sauber's and the bulls. Bulls closest ? Wow. And Senna looks SO BAD. That's 9 tenths slower than Pastor EVERY saturday !! I did nazi that coming...

[raymondu999]

Nando how are you handling teammate gaps when one teammate doesn't make the cut in a qualifying session? eg Button Q1 Silverstone, Vettel Q2 China/Spa

[RB7ate9]

Nando how are you handling teammate gaps when one teammate doesn't make the cut in a qualifying session? eg Button Q1 Silverstone, Vettel Q2 China/Spa

There's still a total time differential?

[raymondu999]

That's not what I'm asking. For example in Spa, are you comparing Webber Q3 with Vettel Q2 laptimes, or Q2 on Q2?

[Nando]

If let´s say Vettel gets into Q3 and Webber don´t i will count his Q2 time against Vettel´s Q3 time.

If the Q3 time is slower then Webber´s Q2 time i will then count Q2 vs Q2. (funnily enough that has happened once or twice)

Bit iffy.

[Phil]

Wouldn't it be more accurate to count Q2 times with Q2 times, even if in your example Vettel makes it to Q3? I guess it isn't clear-cut, but comparing Q3 times with Q2 could be misleading because the track may have improved by then - or engine-maps set to a more agressive setting which may have not been the case in Q2.

Then again, a driver from a top-team only getting to Q2 may have not been able (or needed) to push that far - or not worried too much about being beaten by anyone as long as his time is well inside the time required for Q3...

I guess the only true messure would be Q3 times from the top-drivers because with a maximum of only 10 drivers on the track at one time, there's less factors that could influence the statistic and in Q3 we can be pretty be sure that any driver gave everything (even if the time may have been better in a previous Q session - which IMO shouldn't matter as it's a comparison of team-mates).

Still, very interesting figures indeed. I wonder how close the stat would have been in 2007 between Alonso and Hamilton...

[Nando]

I think you should count the fastest Qualifying time vs the fastest Qualifying time.

If one can´t make it into the top 10 then that is his problem really. Who´s to say he would have done quicker when he can´t even get into the top 10?

Today i think they run pretty much full blast from Q1 even. We even see mid-fielders and sometimes top teams run the softer compound in Q1 just to be safe.
Seems like if you do that then you are already running full blast with the car at hand.

Maybe a lap or two more fuel but apart from that nothing spectacular.

[Phil]

I guess I was under the impression that teams always used a more agressive engine-map for Q3 - which explains why the times are usually clearly better than in Q2. Some of it may also be down to an evolving track - but I would guess this is more relevant on street circuits like Singapore and less on race-tracks like Monza and others.

Then again, as you say, if a driver isn't quick-enough to get into Q3 - then that's his fault. Although then using his team-mates Q3 time would just make the time differential larger *if* the engine map is more agressive or track evolved. Using the Q2 times in this case would still show a differential for the correct/quicker driver, it would propably just be smaller.

Cheers Phil