Best and worst surprises of 2013 new car designs

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Yeah, it's still early 'cause we haven't seen everything yet but I don't think it's too early for me to pick ..

Best surprise .. Caterham
Worst surprise .. this is tough 'cause it seems to be part of a recent trend .. Ferrari

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Best: Sauber
Worst: Red Bull
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Best surprise: Sauber

Worst surprise: Actually many from Red-Bull, Force India, Marrusia even Ferrari.
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What do you base your decisions on?
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The term "surprise" refers to a very subjective interpretation of an object. Therefore, it's not really a rational decision. For me it was that the RB9 looks more or less the same as the RB8; the sauber surprised with such small sidepods I tought wasn't possible.
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I'm not sure if you can even make judgements yet. Like RBR for example, it's obvious they're not going to show their hand until much later on, probably Q3 in Australia knowing them. Regarding designs some are more radical and different from previous cars, others are much more similar. Force India finished 2012 quite strongly, they didn't really need to change much around even though the car is still pretty much brand new in a more subtle way.

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Best surprise by far the Sauber C32 : it's an innovative F-1 car like the RB5 at the time. The worst : all the others with only minor changes from 2012 to 2013 F-1 car design.

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Best: Sauber clearly, i´m in love with that car, so beautiful it´s crazy.

Worst: Mercedes. Pulling our legs once again. And perhaps Ferrari, looks like an anorectic.
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Cars:
Worst - Mercedes, expected an evolution and got one with very little to shout about initially, doesn't mean it isn't fast.
Best - Sauber, I think the details are brilliant and the sidepods look slim as hell it just looks very progressive and the livery is fantastic, still doesn't mean it's fast.

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Worst - The red on the Lotus #-o
Best - The new turning vanes on the Mclaren we saw at Jerez today.

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best: Ferrari and FI
worst: Mercedes and Caterham

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turbof1 wrote:The term "surprise" refers to a very subjective interpretation of an object. Therefore, it's not really a rational decision. For me it was that the RB9 looks more or less the same as the RB8; the sauber surprised with such small sidepods I tought wasn't possible.
Yes "surprise" is subjective. That's the whole point .. we'll know what works best when we see the wins stack up.

What I meant was .. everyone has an expectation of what a team will do .. how innovative they will be .. how they fit into the F1 pecking order. So when I saw the Caterham today I was quite impressed .. I didn't expect them to produce such a well detailed car. Will they win races? No I don't think so, but they will likely operate at a higher level this year, design wise.

Ferrari on the other hand was last year saying they were going to be bold and innovative and leave nothing on the table. So frankly when I saw the Ferrari I was disappointed .. it was like a replay of last year.

I do like a lot about the Sauber narrow sidepods but it comes at a price of height. Will they be able to use the upper surface to use the coanda exhaust effect? I'm not so sure .. the shaping seems a little weird.

Mercedes was a bit of a letdown as well but they have cleaned up the area behind the engine cover. An Arial shot of that area looks a lot like last year's RB8.

Best outright car IMO is the RB9 .. it also has narrow sidepods but still a nice low height that looks pretty promising for an optimal exhaust, given the rules.

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The best surprise has to be the Sauber. While everyone else illustrated "evolutions" in their designs for the most part (STR, Marussia, and Caterham did a fair amount of work to their cars), Sauber has taken large steps in different directions from the other teams with their sidepods and nose. To quote "Raiders of the Lost Ark":

"And I even like the color!"

Ferrari, Mclaren, RB, and Lotus have their evolution designs.

Force India and STR have made steps to have their cars appear better (I personally will drool over the STR nose once they get bonded vanity panels, though the screws give a rustic charm)

Caterham and Marussia have very differing designs, but they are stepping in the right direction.

Williams is a no show, yet.

The worst may be Mercedes. Very...plain. From a team like Mercedes, I guess I expected more. If they could have a stretched W02, ramp exhausts, and vanity-panel W02 nose, I may have a better feeling. I just hope they have more up their sleeves.....

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livery or design aesthetics or design quality?

good livery: Force India , Ferrari, McLaren, Caterham, Red Bull
bad livery: Marussia, Sauber, Mercedes, Toro Rosso (because nearly the same like RB), Lotus, Williams (too dark)

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The only surprise for me has been Sauber, very interesting car, lets see if it is fast too.

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Best - McLaren, I really expected an evolution rather than such a radical shift towards to the Newey style concepts

Worst - Ferrari, they needed big changes but instead they've made small ones