BMW has just announced the renew of the agreement with Petronas. From the press release we can understand it is only sponsorship and not a technical partner. Who will be supplying fuel and lubricants to them? BP/Castrol? Petrobras?[/b]
I thought the oil used by BMW will be by Petronas, I know Ferrari use's Shell Oil in there car and Renault uses ELF.
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Racer-X wrote:BMW has just announced the renew of the agreement with Petronas. From the press release we can understand it is only sponsorship and not a technical partner. Who will be supplying fuel and lubricants to them? BP/Castrol? Petrobras?[/b]
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Simon: [on the phone] John... in the back of the truck you're driving, there's $13 billon dollars worth in gold bullion. I wonder would a deal be out of the question?
John McClane: [on the phone] Yeah, I got a deal for you. Come out from that rock you're hiding under, and I'll drive this truck up your ass.
zac510 wrote:So they have to buy their own fuel and oil?
I don't think so because for top performance oil and fuel must be made according to demands of specific engine. Engine manufacturers and oil companies usually work closely and engine and fuel/oil development is a constant parallel process.
But if they are not announcing who they are getting that fuel from (and let us presume that it is definitely not Petronas) then they would have to pay for that research and supply.
Team Oil Fuel Renault Elf Elf Mclaren Mobil 1 Mobil Ferrari-Oil Shell Shell Toyota Esso Esso Williams Castrol Petrobras Honda Nisseki Elf Red Bull Castrol Castrol Bmw Sauber Petronas Petronas Midland Liqui Moly Esso Toro Rosso Elf Elf[
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Simon: [on the phone] John... in the back of the truck you're driving, there's $13 billon dollars worth in gold bullion. I wonder would a deal be out of the question?
John McClane: [on the phone] Yeah, I got a deal for you. Come out from that rock you're hiding under, and I'll drive this truck up your ass.
Maybe he has his gotten his facts wrong , but I know a lot of oil companies develop oils and fuels for cars that they sponsor.
There is that one commercial with Ferrari and Shell, where the Shell Engineering talks about the team and how Shell provides there Oil and other lubricants to the team.
It's a minefield.... apart from the fact that, following the various acquisitions of one oil company by another, there is the issue of technical and commercial sponsors.
just for clarification;
elf is a brand - The oil company is Total (who bought Fina and elf a few years back)
Mobil 1 is a lubricant brand owned by ExxonMobil (Exxon, aka Esso, purchased Mobil a few years back)
Castrol is a lubricant brand (now owned by bp)
So... Castrol, Mobil and elf cannot possibly supply fuel, perhaps their parent company does, but it is probably worth a check on the respective team websites to see whether they specify who is the supplier of fuel and lubricant.
Furthermore, I find it curious that an individual company would supply two teams as a technical sponsor - apart from the fact that I imagine the teams would be very edgy about leakage of technology between the respective teams, it is undoubtedly extremely expensive to develop the package of fuel and lubes for specific engines... why would one double the effort? - what is the benefit?
I happen to know that Shell have the Ferrari engines in their laboratory well before the car ever hits the track and quite early in the development phase. Furthermore, in the past they supplied Sauber (because of the Ferrari engines) even though the Sauber was plastered in Petronas livery (but Sauber had to pay for the fuels and lubes package, whereas Ferrari got it all as part of the spnsorship deal).
I had an interesting discussion with the head of the R&D programme for F1 in Shell a while back... it seemed Ferrari were starting to get a bit anxious that Shell knew more about the car than they did - the various division in Ferrari (engine, chassis, aero, etc) are kept quite separate so that damage from a single defection to another team is minimised. However, Shell was involved at a very detailed level in respect of lubricants for the transmission, wheels, engine (incl coolant system), greases for other moving parts etc. and therefore they had a reasonable overview of the whole car... this put them in potentially a rather strong position if they decided to shift their sponsorship to another team.... funny old world isn't it!
