Tyre Testing

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j4kwan
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Tyre Testing

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What actually takes place during a tyre testing program? How do they go abouts evaluating the tyre compounds, hardness etc... with so many variables to take into consideration such as camber, toe-in, aero-d, track and air temp etc...
i've never seen a tyre testing session before...

DaveKillens
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What actually happens at the track is just the tip of the iceberg. Tires are pre-selected, and run under certain conditions, be it rain, or number of hard laps, or such. Basically they slap on the selected tires, run them as the program dictates, then they pit and do it again. Usually during the pit sequence, tire pressures and temperatures are recorded. Of course, with modern technology, infra-red real time sensors read the tire temperatures as they are on track.
For instance, just last week Michelin ran a wet surface test. They soaked the track, and had cars out doing laps. I'm sure that different cars ran with different fuel loads, tire pressures, suspension settings.
But the real hard work is the analysis and interpretation of the results in the labs, where the tire technicians have to figure out exactly what is happening to the tires, and what will happen to them.
When you think about it, there are an almost infinite number of scenarios that need examining. So when they tire test, it's always a full day's work.

manchild
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.... and teams have their own F1 cars for tyre development which they run apart from official F1 testing sessions.

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F1 tyre testing at Suzuka in 1996 with a Ligier/Mugen car driven by Aguri Suzuki

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I am sure a huge part is on validation as well. From computer sim to lab sim on a MTS machine then actual testing on track to compare results....

DaveKillens
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Most definitely. Tire development is a major engineering exercise. So much is at stake, the tire companies and racing teams take tires VERY seriously.

j4kwan
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then really this means you have to figure tyre selection and car setup selection simultaneously, right?

manchild
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j4kwan wrote:then really this means you have to figure tyre selection and car setup selection simultaneously, right?
100% true

DaveKillens
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Most definitely. For instance, the rules specified that a single tire was to be used for qualifying, and then the entire race. So that type of tyre had to be optimized to offer high traction for the first few laps, then be stable and consistent enough to survive the whole race. We saw Ferrari struggle all season with a tire that either qualified well, or did decent the whole race. But Bridgestone never quite got it right.
And tires are subject to different conditions, from abrasive track surfaces, to wet, to light fuel loads, to starting with a full load. All these can make a tire act differently, from suffering failure (as in Indy) to taking a few extra laps to get to optimum grip, to only lasting 3/4 of the race. Tire engineers need to know what is happening to the tire, to knowledge of what to expect of a tire under certain conditions. Races have been won and lost on tire selection.

Reca
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j4kwan wrote: then really this means you have to figure tyre selection and car setup selection simultaneously, right?
If you mean during a tyre test session, no. On a tyre test day you test tyre only, because you need to minimize the number of variables so they use a standard reference setup, standard aero, standard engine characteristics etc etc, they try to keep everything else equal changing only the tyre specifications. That’s why teams complain about tyre testing, it takes lot of time, require to produce lot of parts and you can’t develop the car.

I’ve been to several test days and did talk with a few guys from teams (particularly of Ferrari since they come here more often than others) and here a description of what typically happens (assuming tyre changes in race are allowed)
At the start of the session the driver makes a couple of laps with a reference, well known, tyre specification to verify that with the track condition the reference setup on the car gives the expected results, if necessary they make couple of modifications and a few laps more to have a well definite reference.
Then the real tyre testing starts, they put on a given specification, driver make a stint of few laps (6-7) and then stop few minutes, no work on the car (beside refuelling if necessary), and back on the track with a different tyre specification, same number of laps, stop, change tyres and loop... If required for example in the middle of the session, they possibly make a couple of laps with the reference tyre specification (same used before starting the test) to verify the influence of possible changes in track conditions.
A short stint of just 6 or 7 laps is more than enough to evaluate a tyre specification because, with tyre change allowed, they are mainly interested in the performance drop, not in tyre durability (that’s not really an issue in a 100 km stint). After just few laps the rate of performance drop becomes easily predictable hence with a 6-7 laps stint they can evaluate with enough accuracy how a tyre set would behave for a 20-22 laps stint. That’s good for a first selection when you have big differences between the specifications, once the tyre general characteristics are set and you are working on small refinements then it becomes useful to make longer stints.

Things were lot more difficult in 2005 with the single set per race rule because teams where interested in durability, hence tyre “consumption”, and that you can’t model/evaluate as easily as performance drop, so if a tyre specification has to last 300 km, you have to test it for at least 260-270 km, shorter distance would be useless.
Obviously 270 km require lot of time, I’ve seen tyre testing in 2005 with Ferrari, Badoer, using the same tyre set for the whole morning (with separate stints of 16-17 laps) while previous years it was normal to evaluate 5-6 different specifications in the same timeframe.
This obviously makes it harder to find the right specification and also makes more difficult the evaluation because the longer it takes to test a single specifications the more variables you add, track conditions can change more; then you can test just one tyre set per specifications, hence with the risk of trashing a specification that was potentially good because there was a manufacturing problem in that specific set; that’s a rare event because the “test” tyres receive an higher level of attention on manufacturing compared with the “normal” production for gp, but it can happen.

j4kwan
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Thats awesome ! Thanks! Just what i wanted to know. I wish I was in Europe to catch a few test sessions. There's simply non action in Canada until race weekends..booo!

Reca
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You’re welcome :-)

Test sessions are IMO more valuable, from the point of view of a spectator at the track, than Gp days, it’s true that you lose the antagonism and (partly) the atmosphere created by the public, but if you are interested in seeing cars, test days are better.

monkeyboy1976
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Great notes on tyre testing. Nice one.

I agree about spectating at tests. If you are interested in seeing cars then testing is where to go. It is also free and you don't have to sit in traffic for five hours to get in or out of the circuit!! :D
Unless you have a nice viewing spot and a big TV to also watch, going to an F1 race is a waste of money IMHO. Although, having said that, it is good to do it once in your life.

j4kwan
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They're FREE!!!?! DAAAMN! Now, I really have to move to Europe! Canada sucks for F1. All the races are aired here, but that's it! Montreal GP, half the people don't even know the teams and drivers....they're there for the parties.

I can see Bridgestone running over Michelin this year. Especially with the new teams switching over, and then Michelin probably decreasing their R&D end of the season. Too bad, I liked the tyre war; I just wish Goodyear or Firestone was in F1 too so there would be a 3-way-war!

monkeyboy1976
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j4kwan wrote:They're FREE!!!?! DAAAMN! !
Sorry about that! :P
The last time I went to Silverstone (about 5 years ago) it was free. It's very strange walking into a deserted F1 circuit hearing the gloroius engine notes from over the stands. I took a day out with a few mates from heavy drinking at University to go along. There were about 10 other people dotted around the stands and plenty of bobblehats. You could really see the differences in the driving styles of drivers and cornering abilities of the cars. I might go along again before the 2006 season starts up and take a day out from mainly writing stuff on the F1technical Forum instead of boring work.
j4kwan wrote:I can see Bridgestone running over Michelin this year. Especially with the new teams switching over, and then Michelin probably decreasing their R&D end of the season.
It could be that they have doubled the budge for this year wanting to go out on a high. Who knows?

manchild
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Are these front (narrow) tyres on rear (wide) rims? :shock:

I remember seeing once Sauber using front wheels on rear axle during qualifying in Monza on dry (less drag attempt) but this Renault combo is strange.

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Same thing on Mclaren

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