Team mates comparison

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This is points difference between the drivers of the best 5 teams this season. Its funny how the last race changed things a bit. The Ham-Ros gap turned out huge.

Alonso - Kimi = 106
Button - Magnussen = 71
Ricciardo - Vettel = 71
Hamilton - Rosberg = 67
Bottas - Massa = 52

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efuloni wrote:This is points difference between the drivers of the best 5 teams this season. Its funny how the last race changed things a bit. The Ham-Ros gap turned out huge.

Alonso - Kimi = 106
Button - Magnussen = 71
Ricciardo - Vettel = 71
Hamilton - Rosberg = 67
Bottas - Massa = 52
in percentages based on each team's total:

Alonso 75% - Räikkönen 25%
Button 70% - Magnussen 30%
Ricciardo 59% - Vettel 41%
Bottas 58% - Massa 42%
Hamilton 55% - Rosberg 45%

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Websta
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efuloni wrote:This is points difference between the drivers of the best 5 teams this season. Its funny how the last race changed things a bit. The Ham-Ros gap turned out huge.

Alonso - Kimi = 106
Button - Magnussen = 71
Ricciardo - Vettel = 71
Hamilton - Rosberg = 67
Bottas - Massa = 52

adjust it for double points

marcush.
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we had this before an it does not really reflect the picture for all drivers.
I think Vettel vs Ricciardo and Bottas vs Massa are good examples here.When Bottas was in reality just the same in terms of speed with Massa -not much between the two it was a never ending story of mishaps denying Felipe to score the points..In the second half of the season speedwise nothing changed but Felipe had the same rate of mishaps compared to Valteri and so they scored similar.
With Ricciardo and Vettel it was a lot different.poor Seb simply had no answer for Daniel and was struggling the whole season in a similar way as Kimi ...
Then Button KMag was not so much about speed differnces of the drivers but how one driver does deliver constantly and the other loses focus and gets cought out in the heat of the moment .. in a very similar way as it was the case with Nico and Checo -also a pairing closely matched in speed but not in overall results..Similarities -both Magnussen and Checo managed better single race finishes but could deliver consistency...
As much as statistics are telling you things the big issue here is that you can allways interpret numbers in onne or another way as nobody is unbiased in his views.

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Percentage of a teams points are also a poor measure because of the uneven points slope. A dominant driver in a dominant team will score 65% of the teams points (25/38). Meanwhile a marginally better driver in a tight mid field might score 71% (15 / 21 assuming the team averages a 3/7 finish like red bull)

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Moose wrote:Percentage of a teams points are also a poor measure because of the uneven points slope. A dominant driver in a dominant team will score 65% of the teams points (25/38). Meanwhile a marginally better driver in a tight mid field might score 71% (15 / 21 assuming the team averages a 3/7 finish like red bull)
In a tight midfield, if Driver A finishes 3rd in average and Driver B finishes 7th... then Driver A has performed considerably better. If the differences really are small details, then +/-4 average position is massive, and can hardly be understood as a tenth here or there. I repeat, if that's the average finishing position.

It's true that, in pure pace, Raikkonen and Vettel don't seem that far off their teammates but think about this. Kimi has only finished once ahead of Alonso in the whole season, and out-qualified him 3 times. Vettel has qualified much closer to Ricciardo (11-8), but the race head-to-head is not good for him: 12:3 when both finished. Additionally, Vettel wasn't really close to capitalise in either Spa or Hungary. Fun stat from F1fanatic: Vettel has led a single lap this year. That's as many as Jenson Button, and less than either Force India drivers.

EDIT: I forgot to add: since we have a quasi-exponential points distribution, percentage of total points is *exactly* what you want to use, except for the dominant car drivers, and the rare points scorers. Yes, it's far from perfect and doesn't capture nuances such as following your teammate, pitting after him and finding yourself in slow traffic due to an extra lap on old tires. But heck, that's better than nothing.
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Websta wrote:
efuloni wrote:This is points difference between the drivers of the best 5 teams this season. Its funny how the last race changed things a bit. The Ham-Ros gap turned out huge.

Alonso - Kimi = 106
Button - Magnussen = 71
Ricciardo - Vettel = 71
Hamilton - Rosberg = 67
Bottas - Massa = 52

adjust it for double points
Rules are rules.That same double points could have given Rosberg the championship so I don't see why it must be disregarded.
But to suit you...

Alonso - Kimi = 106
Button - Magnussen = 71
Ricciardo - Vettel = 71
Hamilton - Rosberg = 42
Bottas - Massa = 52
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