2017 F1 engine dream configs

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if you could make any engine in the world the standard 2017 F1 engine, what would it be?
rotary? turbine? 2 pot quad turbo??? anything!!!

personally i would have a single turbocharged V10, because i love the old screamers but combined with that turbo whine, that would be mega. :twisted: =P~
so come on guys what dya think???

wuzak
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A V10 and turbo would surely be heavy?

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wuzak wrote:A V10 and turbo would surely be heavy?
Not really, it would be less than 1L to be light and get reasonable fuel consumption... :lol:

Technology has moved on from the old gas guzzling flat 12's and H16's.

I can definitely see someone pursuing a diesel option (hopefully Audi).

I think we will be surprised, as we could end up with less cylinders than more... (straight 3 or V4)

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My ideal would be V12 with no RPM restriction, but like this is not going to happen and to make it fast without to much of an additional investment from the manufactures:

1.6L, V6, twin turbo.
Max RPM: 18000
Max tank fuel capacity: 140 liters
Max fuel flow rate: no restriction, free fuel flow.
Fuel injection: Direct injection, single injector per cylinder, 500 bar max
Same Motor Generator Unit - Kinetic (MGU-K) as today reg
Same Motor Generator Unit - Heat (MGU-H) as today reg
Max Energy Store (ES): 5 Mj per lap

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100.5kg of fuel, fastest back to parc ferme after the finish line with 500g sample left wins.. Max 3 Million per year cost to the teams but the manufacturer gets prominent advertising on the car.

No restrictions, unfreeze the engine development and let the engine manufacturers decide whats best

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Well in the spirit of being green / environmentally conscious and road relevant we should probably look for engines in the 1-1.5L range, 4 cylinder, turbocharged, putting out < 200 hp. That way racing can truly be a proving ground for consumer products.

Or if we want to have fun with the sport, maybe a 13000 rpm 3.5L V10.

...or a 358ci V8?

Manual trans regardless, please.
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wuzak
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maguetox wrote:My ideal would be V12 with no RPM restriction, but like this is not going to happen and to make it fast without to much of an additional investment from the manufactures:

1.6L, V6, twin turbo.
Max RPM: 18000
Max tank fuel capacity: 140 liters
Max fuel flow rate: no restriction, free fuel flow.
Fuel injection: Direct injection, single injector per cylinder, 500 bar max
Same Motor Generator Unit - Kinetic (MGU-K) as today reg
Same Motor Generator Unit - Heat (MGU-H) as today reg
Max Energy Store (ES): 5 Mj per lap
Twin turbo with current MGUH is impractical. And without the fuel flow limit and just a max rpm you have no restriction on power. And without a boost limit you are almost guaranteeing lower rpm. If you want them to rev to 18,000rpm yu would need to have a low boost limit to force them to use extra rpm.

Personally I would keep the fuel flow regulation and dump the race fuel allowance. Since the target is 1000hp I would dump the rpm limit (they won't go too high anyway) and maintain the fuel flow formula (rpm * 0.009 + 5.5) but have the fixed flow rate start from 13,000rpm (122.5kg/h).

The maximum capacity would be retained, but there would be no minimum capacity.

No development limits, but a limit to the price that engine suppliers can charge clients.

Allow more ICE per season. Electric gizmos and turbo should last longer, so they can stay at 4/season.

I wouldn't change the ES regs, except I would remove the weight limits. So if a team want sto run less storage and less weight they can.

Minimum weight and minimum CoG can go.

Ditch the requirement that the exhaust must exit on the outside of the vee.

Allow V8s and V10s of the previous two engine formulae to compete with smaller teams, using the 122.5k/h fuel flow limit (but not the formula) and no rpm limit.

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wuzak wrote:
maguetox wrote:My ideal would be V12 with no RPM restriction, but like this is not going to happen and to make it fast without to much of an additional investment from the manufactures:

1.6L, V6, twin turbo.
Max RPM: 18000
Max tank fuel capacity: 140 liters
Max fuel flow rate: no restriction, free fuel flow.
Fuel injection: Direct injection, single injector per cylinder, 500 bar max
Same Motor Generator Unit - Kinetic (MGU-K) as today reg
Same Motor Generator Unit - Heat (MGU-H) as today reg
Max Energy Store (ES): 5 Mj per lap
Twin turbo with current MGUH is impractical. And without the fuel flow limit and just a max rpm you have no restriction on power. And without a boost limit you are almost guaranteeing lower rpm. If you want them to rev to 18,000rpm yu would need to have a low boost limit to force them to use extra rpm.

Personally I would keep the fuel flow regulation and dump the race fuel allowance. Since the target is 1000hp I would dump the rpm limit (they won't go too high anyway) and maintain the fuel flow formula (rpm * 0.009 + 5.5) but have the fixed flow rate start from 13,000rpm (122.5kg/h).

The maximum capacity would be retained, but there would be no minimum capacity.

No development limits, but a limit to the price that engine suppliers can charge clients.

Allow more ICE per season. Electric gizmos and turbo should last longer, so they can stay at 4/season.

I wouldn't change the ES regs, except I would remove the weight limits. So if a team want sto run less storage and less weight they can.

Minimum weight and minimum CoG can go.

Ditch the requirement that the exhaust must exit on the outside of the vee.

Allow V8s and V10s of the previous two engine formulae to compete with smaller teams, using the 122.5k/h fuel flow limit (but not the formula) and no rpm limit.
I largely agree, but with the fuel flow limit, why have any restrictions on capacity? Maybe require at least 4 cylinders, but any configuration (linear, V4, V6, opposed 4 or 6, or V12 if someone wants).
Then unlimited MGU-K and battery but those do not count in minimum weight of the car. Low budget teams may do better without any significant battery and just enough MGU-K to make use of most of the MGU-H power if they run a turbo at all.

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ENGINE TYPE AND LAYOUT
Engine layout: unrestricted.
Aspiration: air - natural or supercharged
Engine CoG: not lower than current limit.
engine minimum weight: 85kg
material: see list of safe engine materials
decibel limit: 140
rpm limit: none


ENGINE COST
Engine cost cap: 30 million per year for each customer package

FUEL DELIVERY
Fuel type: petrol or diesel
Injection type: direct injection or port injection
Fuel flow limit: 220kg/hr
Fuel race limit: none

HYBRID SYSTEMS:
Energy store technology: chemical, or mechanical (see list of safe materials)
Kinetic energy recovery and propulsion: yes
Energy storage limit: None
Energy discharge limit per lap: 8MJ
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PlatinumZealot wrote:ENGINE TYPE AND LAYOUT
Fuel flow limit: 220kg/hr
How much power do you think they need?

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Not many rules other than current banned toxic materials, customer teams always get the latest spec for $20M per year, and 120L of fuel. Each manufacturer must be prepared to service their proportion of the field plus one team. Engines can be upgraded 2 times in the year, once at the end of the first flyaway, and once at the end of the European season. If there is a choice to upgrade, 10kg of penalty ballast will be applied. As many engines per year as the manufacturers feel like, they economy of that is up to them. Beyond that, let the engineers figure it out.

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Keep current regs but remove fuel flow limit and max fuel carried limit. Magic will happen.

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I would like to see a 2.0L V8 engine with compounding turbochargers and VGT systems installed. The MGU-K and MGU-H will be the same although the battery could be bigger. It would be great if they could bring back the push button KERS boost. RPM to be limited to 22,000 rpm. No rpm limit for 8th gear when 1 second behind a formula one (was thinking DRS detection style) HP should be in the 1200-1350 region. REMOVAL OF DRS.

Race fuel should be limited to 150 kg without a fuel flow limit. Allotted fuel per car would be around 200 kg the whole weekend.

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bidong wrote: RPM to be limited to 22,000 rpm. No rpm limit for 8th gear when 1 second behind . . .
So perhaps 25k rpm when overtaking? :)
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gruntguru wrote:
bidong wrote: RPM to be limited to 22,000 rpm. No rpm limit for 8th gear when 1 second behind . . .
So perhaps 25k rpm when overtaking? :)
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