well, I certainly hope the FIA are forthcoming , and in detail !turbof1 wrote:IMO the topic itself is interesting, only a tad too early. We probably will get an official FIA list of what the teams used for tokens next weekend.
I started this thread pecause the permutations look fascinating as you suggestMesteño wrote:Mercedes wasting all takens to prevent Honda from developing and Honda being faster but less reliable (fixable). Result: Honda being dominant the next years.
So many possibilities...
i think that sums it up ..the boss at ferrari spotted the loophole in the regs and it seems that they , as well as renault , didn't have all their upgrades ready for the start of the season probably as they called in outside help too late [ ilmor confirmed for renault , not certain who ferrari have consulted ]nevill3 wrote:I thought this situation came about because Renault and Ferrari didn't have enough time to incorporate all the changes they wanted to this winter and so decided to exploit the loophole.
From what I have read on here and around the net Renault have made reliability improvements and will bring performance upgrades later on so they would obviously need to save quite a few tokens for that to happen.
Everything I have read is bandying around an 80 bhp gain by Ferrari. Sounds like a lot but I've read it numerous places.lebesset wrote:well , clearly nobody interested but me , so i feel free to use this thread as an aide memoire so i can look back later in the season
state of play a week before melbourne ...mostly gleaned from Scarb
renault in fact to use 70% of tokens from the start , rest to await Ilmor input by mid season , were 60bhp behind last season
mercedes have used a major part of their tokens which have provided a 46bhp increase
ferrari were 40 bhp behind mercedes last season and have made that up , token usage not clear but not complete , later changes possibly internally and externally sourced ; no info on any changes to manor 2014 engine
why on earth should there be a penalty ??giantfan10 wrote:well they did decide to join the party late(after the first year of this engine formula)... there has to be a penalty for that... i think they have had enough concessions... leave it the way it is
It's not a matter of nobody interested, it's just that at this point it's all speculation.lebesset wrote:well , clearly nobody interested but me , so i feel free to use this thread as an aide memoire so i can look back later in the season
state of play a week before melbourne ...mostly gleaned from Scarb
renault in fact to use 70% of tokens from the start , rest to await Ilmor input by mid season , were 60bhp behind last season
mercedes have used a major part of their tokens which have provided a 46bhp increase
ferrari were 40 bhp behind mercedes last season and have made that up , token usage not clear but not complete , later changes possibly internally and externally sourced ; no info on any changes to manor 2014 engine