2015 Brazilian Grand Prix - Sao Paulo, November 13 - 15

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iotar__ wrote: Now, who really cares? 50/50 between Merc drivers and the same old: Merc - Ferrari - Williams with big gaps and no competition assuming no mistakes plus a lot of bad driving. Red Bull taking engine penalties - higher chance of start collision.
Some of us care about how a race actually unfolds even when our driver/team isn't winning!
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Kingshark wrote:
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Kingshark wrote:When Hamilton crossed the finish line, the gap between him and Rosberg was still outside of the pit window. It was 22.499 seconds. All of Mercedes' pit stops on that day were between 22.9 to 23.8 seconds. In other words, Lewis needed an extra lap to get the gap he needed to jump Rosberg. Then he blew it.
No. The team blew it. Read Moose's post please.

If the team did pit Lewis one lap earlier as they said they would Lewis would have came out clearly in front of Nico.
No he would not have, what part of "22.499 seconds was not quite enough to for a pit stop" did you not grasp?
Look on his lap time before the pitstop.. Lewis had a huge chunk of time. Rosbergs sectors were too slow to cover him even if lewis had a slow pitstop.
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@kingshark. Just of note that although a drivers pit stop is 22.5 seconds or whatever he doesn't lose that amount of time as he emerges opposite end of the pit straight. So usually you need to minus off time it takes to travel the straight. In Brazil there is also a chicane so much less pit time loss. So a stop may take 24 seconds but you will only lose maybe 16 seconds.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:Look on his lap time before the pitstop.. Lewis had a huge chunk of time. Rosbergs sectors were too slow to cover him even if lewis had a slow pitstop.
Incorrect.
dans79 wrote:Source?
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Hamilton's gap to Rosberg was 22.400 seconds when he crossed the line on lap 27, this was NOT ENOUGH to make a pit stop and rejoin ahead.

Mercedes' best pit stops that day were between 22.874 to 23.351 seconds.

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This means that if Hamilton pitted the lap right after Rosberg instead of staying out another lap, he would have rejoined BEHIND Rosberg, plain and simple.

The reason to why Rosberg's sector times slowed down is because once he was told that Hamilton spun, there was no point to push early anymore.
danielk wrote:Just of note that although a drivers pit stop is 22.5 seconds or whatever he doesn't lose that amount of time as he emerges opposite end of the pit straight. So usually you need to minus off time it takes to travel the straight. In Brazil there is also a chicane so much less pit time loss. So a stop may take 24 seconds but you will only lose maybe 16 seconds.
The pit stop delta times of approximately 23 seconds take this into consideration. 16 seconds is nowhere near enough to make a pit stop and rejoin ahead at Interlagos. I have no idea where you got that number from.

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1:15.2 1:15.1 then 1:14.3. It was in the bag easily.. Gap of 22.4 we know this was gonna drop because of the track layout.

Rosberg never had that 1:14 pace. He was dead on the out lap too.

Easy overcut to Hamilton i say.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:Easy overcut to Hamilton i say.
The commentators agreed with you!
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Folks, can we drop the woulda coulda shoulda b.s. From last year please?

There's already a thread for it, it's called the 2014 Brazilian gp thread!
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Massa is aiming for a podium in Brazil as if he got it through pure performance last time. :roll:

Beginning to think they really need a trophy for the most arrogant driver.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:Massa is aiming for a podium in Brazil as if he got it through pure performance last time. :roll:

Beginning to think they really need a trophy for the most arrogant driver.
Nico would win that hands down every year! :shock: :o
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PlatinumZealot wrote:1:15.2 1:15.1 then 1:14.3. It was in the bag easily.. Gap of 22.4 we know this was gonna drop because of the track layout.

Rosberg never had that 1:14 pace. He was dead on the out lap too.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Likewise, Rosberg's middle and final sectors were more than good enough for a 1:14. He just slowed down as soon as Lewis pit. Lewis did NOT have the gap necessary to jump Nico if he pitted the lap right after, is that really too hard to comprehend?
Easy overcut to Hamilton i say.
Baseless claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

If Lewis wanted to win that race, he should have qualified on pole, for a start.

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Pit lane loss at Intelagos is 16.4 seconds, not 22.8. The time it takes to go through the pits is 22.8 seconds. The pit lane loss is that, minus the time it takes the other driver to drive the straight.

If lewis had a gap of 22.4 seconds, then he would have come out 6 seconds in the lead.

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Moose wrote:Pit lane loss at Intelagos is 16.4 seconds, not 22.8. The time it takes to go through the pits is 22.8 seconds. The pit lane loss is that, minus the time it takes the other driver to drive the straight.

If lewis had a gap of 22.4 seconds, then he would have come out 6 seconds in the lead.
How did you come to this conclusion?
Nico did an in lap of 1:20.6 and an out lap of 1:32.3. He was averaging around 1:15.3 lap times in that part of the race. So he lost 5.3s on an in lap and 17s on an outlap, so I would say his pit lane loss was 22.3 not 16.4? or an I missing something?
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Mods...have we somehow conflated Mexican GP into the Brazilian GP thread? Time to close the door!!
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tomazy wrote: If lewis had a gap of 22.4 seconds, then he would have come out 6 seconds in the lead.
How did you come to this conclusion?
Nico did an in lap of 1:20.6 and an out lap of 1:32.3. He was averaging around 1:15.3 lap times in that part of the race. So he lost 5.3s on an in lap and 17s on an outlap, so I would say his pit lane loss was 22.3 not 16.4? or an I missing something?
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What he is saying, is the time the driver pitting looses is the time it takes the pitting driver to go from pit entry to pit exit minus the time it takes the driver on the track to do the same.

something else worth noting is the timing related to in and out laps is pretty crappy.
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