There should be a rule on this forum that if you post a new idea for F1 rules, you have to list at least one negative point.
No idea is perfect and if you don't list a single negative point then you haven't thought your idea through enough.
This pretty much sums it up. What are they hoping to achieve? We've seen "short Sprint Races" after safety car periods, and it rarely brings anything to the show.zac510 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 08:35Honestly what exactly are you expecting to happen? Some miracle level of ecstasy and overtaking heaven greater than we have now? More retirements? More drivers making mistakes?...
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...It'll just be the same result as we have now, but a shorter race at a different time of day.
I disagree.Zynerji wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 02:33Qualifying is the ONE THING that is perfect in F1, and should not be changed, in my opinion. It has been the most thrilling part of the weekend for a few years I believe, and this year, Q2 and Q3 are both nail-biters with how close the midfield is.
Maybe go back to 3 cars per team, and run a half distance race on Saturday before qualifying with the 3rd car and a reserve driver in reverse championship order. That would make that role worthwhile, and would put on 3 hours of show on Saturdays.
3rd car would be held in race reserve for a main driver if they bin it during qualifying.
Added cost, but increased sponsor exposure and data gathering going into Qualifying. It would be something to see!
Is that not better than a 30s gap from P1 to P2 with no realistic fight for the lead?
If the Sauber was the fastest in the quali, maybe because it did the lap with a dry track and the rest did the lap in the wet... yeah, that would be nice to see. I just don't like the idea of creating something that looks artificial to put the fastest cars at the back.
The racing would be "artificial" is fundamentally flawed in a sport with DRS and tyres that are designed to degrade in a specific way, among other things...santos wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 13:26If the Sauber was the fastest in the quali, maybe because it did the lap with a dry track and the rest did the lap in the wet... yeah, that would be nice to see. I just don't like the idea of creating something that looks artificial to put the fastest cars at the back.
April started late this year, but I would like to give it a chance to discuss it on this forum. Reversed grid for the top 10 on saturday, would it not be great to see Alonso start on pole on saterday and Vettel flat out, every lap a quali lap like in the old days, when Ferrari does not have to save on fuel or tires? Or would this not bring anything? Less lift and coast or not? Hamilton starting 10th, would be interesting to see more overtaking? How is the Merc in dirty air? How is the cooling holding when pushing longer, maybe the balance shifts to other teams? Max defending his position to Kimi and Hamilton? Maybe STR would setup their car for the sprint race only to ‘demonstrate’ maximum Honda power in the sprint. Merc saving their engine for the title battle. Sunday race like before. What points to earn on saterday would be the toughest decision. No presents, every point still has to be earned by racing. Nothing like the horrible fanboost which I hate for lack of sports but only relies on popularity, or pointless firework every lap when the cars pass the finishline to improve the ‘show’, or the awfull microphones to ‘improve’ the sound of the engines but sounds worse than anything. But to more racing I do not say no immediately . Qualifying is not too bad as it is, but anyone ever complaining on the ‘party mode’ would agree that the current qualifying is not flawless either. This concept does not alter qualifying but adds another dimension to the race. We can dump the sprint race after a weekend if it does not work, like we saw with the latest qualifying experiment (which was a monster). Was it not the idea to test this in simulations first? Anyone read about the outcome of this? If teams can already can predict that it will not work we should not give it a try.Coinage wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 21:32Practice 1- normal friday am
Practice 2- normal friday afternoon
Qual- Sat AM (replace P3) - normal Q1/Q2/Q3 for Sunday feature race
Sprint race- Sat Afternoon (replace Qual)- reverse grid for sunday feature race, rolling start to prevent start crashes- 30-40% of race distance, scaled points payout
Feature Race- Sunday afternoon- Normal parade? **(bigger/faster tracks for more racing lines/passing needed and remove fuel flow limits <more revs/more noise> / add peak power output cap)**
2 practice sessions so teams need to get on with their work. We keep the qualy everyone enjoys for the main race on sunday. Reverse grid for sprint race will mix the field up, and could possibly setup a risk/reward scenario for teams as the cars will be in Parc fermé.. Top qualifiers will not want to risk grid penalties for sunday with wrecks, maybe?
Unfortunately I dont think the racing will get much better until we get bigger tracks
Non-meritorious grid order would need to be a pure lottery.krisfx wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 12:07I disagree.Zynerji wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 02:33Qualifying is the ONE THING that is perfect in F1, and should not be changed, in my opinion. It has been the most thrilling part of the weekend for a few years I believe, and this year, Q2 and Q3 are both nail-biters with how close the midfield is.
Maybe go back to 3 cars per team, and run a half distance race on Saturday before qualifying with the 3rd car and a reserve driver in reverse championship order. That would make that role worthwhile, and would put on 3 hours of show on Saturdays.
3rd car would be held in race reserve for a main driver if they bin it during qualifying.
Added cost, but increased sponsor exposure and data gathering going into Qualifying. It would be something to see!
Currently qualifying usually puts the fastest car at the front. If the fastest car is always at the front then the racing will be a procession, especially under the current regulations where a car needs a good 1-1.5 seconds of extra pace to even get alongside another car.
If qualifying is the best bit, then the series should look to emulate Time Attack and just have two qualifying sessions per weekend.
It's not perfect, but neither is the current Formula.
I think a full grid flip for the sprint race would keep the overall midfield race pretty interesting giving the further back cars a consistent chance at bagging a few points here and there along with who wants to push harder for the sprint race for the win or even some Qualy strategy variations for better sprint race positioning.Laserguru wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 23:21April started late this year, but I would like to give it a chance to discuss it on this forum. Reversed grid for the top 10 on saturday, would it not be great to see Alonso start on pole on saterday and Vettel flat out, every lap a quali lap like in the old days, when Ferrari does not have to save on fuel or tires? Or would this not bring anything? Less lift and coast or not? Hamilton starting 10th, would be interesting to see more overtaking? How is the Merc in dirty air? How is the cooling holding when pushing longer, maybe the balance shifts to other teams? Max defending his position to Kimi and Hamilton? Maybe STR would setup their car for the sprint race only to ‘demonstrate’ maximum Honda power in the sprint. Merc saving their engine for the title battle. Sunday race like before. What points to earn on saterday would be the toughest decision. No presents, every point still has to be earned by racing. Nothing like the horrible fanboost which I hate for lack of sports but only relies on popularity, or pointless firework every lap when the cars pass the finishline to improve the ‘show’, or the awfull microphones to ‘improve’ the sound of the engines but sounds worse than anything. But to more racing I do not say no immediately . Qualifying is not too bad as it is, but anyone ever complaining on the ‘party mode’ would agree that the current qualifying is not flawless either. This concept does not alter qualifying but adds another dimension to the race. We can dump the sprint race after a weekend if it does not work, like we saw with the latest qualifying experiment (which was a monster). Was it not the idea to test this in simulations first? Anyone read about the outcome of this? If teams can already can predict that it will not work we should not give it a try.Coinage wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 21:32Practice 1- normal friday am
Practice 2- normal friday afternoon
Qual- Sat AM (replace P3) - normal Q1/Q2/Q3 for Sunday feature race
Sprint race- Sat Afternoon (replace Qual)- reverse grid for sunday feature race, rolling start to prevent start crashes- 30-40% of race distance, scaled points payout
Feature Race- Sunday afternoon- Normal parade? **(bigger/faster tracks for more racing lines/passing needed and remove fuel flow limits <more revs/more noise> / add peak power output cap)**
2 practice sessions so teams need to get on with their work. We keep the qualy everyone enjoys for the main race on sunday. Reverse grid for sprint race will mix the field up, and could possibly setup a risk/reward scenario for teams as the cars will be in Parc fermé.. Top qualifiers will not want to risk grid penalties for sunday with wrecks, maybe?
Unfortunately I dont think the racing will get much better until we get bigger tracks