2019 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 12-14

[nacho]

Verstappen's move is very visible from his onboard.

[djones]

I did not realise just how easy Hamilton made it for Bottas to come back through.

[izzy]

hamilton vs bottas

https://streamable.com/xse3l
https://streamable.com/xse3l

Thanks . How it's done with teammates. Every team must be wishing they had Lewis & Valtteri

[RZS10]

And again my post which (by removing camera movement/zoom = turning it into a static shot) shows how Max did not react to Vettel (judging by which mirror he checked when Vettel went to the left), how he never went right and only the track layout makes it look like he did and how he continuously turned left 'naturally' coming out of the left hander gets ignored. but as izzy, who frantically keeps arguing the opposite, admitted "Often the best posts get ignored, as people can't see how to argue with them. It's a great post"

I think the way Hamilton defended (he did not) against Bottas shows as how much of a competition for the WDC he sees in him (none at all)

[Sierra117]

hamilton vs bottas

https://streamable.com/xse3l
https://streamable.com/xse3l

Excellent, thanks! Wish they would go back to the pre-Liberty tachometer design; the current one is so flat and boring.

[Just_a_fan]

There was no "dangerous second move", that's why. Of all the stuff presented on here about this incident, the stuff showing no move is the more compelling evidence. That's from a dispassionate observer, at least.

what stuff showing no move? do you mean the lines someone drew on the empty track? and btw i'm at least as dispassionate as you

No. The on-board shows he made no real movement of the wheel. The videos showing that he followed a consistent line - with a nice line added to show that he does.

The reality is tgat Vettel just went too late on the brakes. He outbraked himself and because he was close to Verstappen's rear, he couldn't avoid him. The big double front lock up shows he had a massive overspeed on Max. No matter what Max did, Seb was always going to hit him.

[Juzh]

hamilton vs bottas

https://streamable.com/xse3l
https://streamable.com/xse3l

Excellent, thanks! Wish they would go back to the pre-Liberty tachometer design; the current one is so flat and boring.

you mean like this one? a rare breed these days

ricciardo chasing sainz
https://streamable.com/snzak

[Just_a_fan]

hamilton vs bottas

https://streamable.com/xse3l
https://streamable.com/xse3l

Thanks . How it's done with teammates. Every team must be wishing they had Lewis & Valtteri

Golden rule: don't take out your team mate. Other teams' drivers need to remember that. Looking at you, Haas.

[ENGINE TUNER]

And Max is fast becoming Vettel 2.0

Yes, I've seen that too, but it's not only by red bull, it's also by the fans who put pressure on the stewards to look the other way when these "golden childs" do things that are clearly beyond the regulations.

Max has hit Sainz in Bahrain, Bottas twice in Monaco, Hamilton in Monaco, LEC in Austria and Silverstone and there are people claiming that he has been so "clean" in the last 12 months and that he is also the best driver during that period. It is mind boggling.

[yelistener]

I did not realise just how easy Hamilton made it for Bottas to come back through.

Since 2017, Lewis only got a taste of a "competition" with Bottas this year, so it's still far from his 2014-2016 mentality yet. Remember Baku T1-T3 at the race start? That was so friendly, he and Bottas both gave more than enough space too each other.

And of cause huge thanks to Juzh for posting Lewis onboard.

[garygph]

What I just do not understand with this defending Vettel and claiming Verstappen did something wrong argument is that Vettel himself acknowledged that he was wrong and apologised as soon as he could! No driver does that unless they know for sure that they messed up. Give credit to him for being big enough to do so. He knows better than anybody here so it is a non starter as an argument.

Maybe I missed a Vettel retracting his apology and accepting blame somewhere?

Fan of racing not specific drivers BTW.

[ENGINE TUNER]

What I just do not understand with this defending Vettel and claiming Verstappen did something wrong argument is that Vettel himself acknowledged that he was wrong and apologised as soon as he could! No driver does that unless they know for sure that they messed up. Give credit to him for being big enough to do so. He knows better than anybody here so it is a non starter as an argument.

Maybe I missed a Vettel retracting his apology and accepting blame somewhere?

Fan of racing not specific drivers BTW.

Vettel also immediately claimed he was brake tested bt Hamilton in Baku 17, they don't have all the information after they just stepped our of the car. Don't base anything on driver reaction, base it on evidence like video and telemetry.

[garygph]

What I just do not understand with this defending Vettel and claiming Verstappen did something wrong argument is that Vettel himself acknowledged that he was wrong and apologised as soon as he could! No driver does that unless they know for sure that they messed up. Give credit to him for being big enough to do so. He knows better than anybody here so it is a non starter as an argument.

Maybe I missed a Vettel retracting his apology and accepting blame somewhere?

Fan of racing not specific drivers BTW.

Vettel also immediately claimed he was brake tested bt Hamilton in Baku 17, they don't have all the information after they just stepped our of the car. Don't base anything on driver reaction, base it on evidence like video and telemetry.

That is my point actually, a driver will normally try and NOT take blame. However you do know as a driver when you took a chance as to were you thought the other guy was going and was wrong. He does not need telemetry for that. He accepted it ...period .

[GPR-A]

If anyone thinks Verstappen did not move twice, simply doesn't want to see the second move. From 0:06 to 0:10, you would clearly see his head moving looking into mirrors to then position his car based on where Vettel's car is. The second move wasn't a full move, but enough to position the car for a crash, while quickly slowing down the speed.

https://j.gifs.com/913lgY.gif

Yeah your a funny guy, bit biased but ok still funny. Never crossed your mind Vettel was too close eh? Mentioned several times by anyone but seems the haters never give up. It's getting boring tbh.

Why don't you just use the time for something useful for the society, rather than posting junk here. Just saying.

[dans79]

Why don't you just use the time for something useful for the society, rather than posting junk here. Just saying.

You should be telling this to yourself.