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Also equally stupid (your words not mine) is to believe that the run of Ferrari poles last year came to an end with 'addition of more downforce' to the car.J0ker wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 11:20One either has big balls or is stupid enough… with all do respect.
FIA INSTIGATES FULL INVESTIGATION ON ALL TEAMS CHEATING...
Did someone play foul?
And maybe, just maybe, the agreement that FIA and Ferrari made, is just because till that moment FIA wasn’t able to understand where are the gray area limits of their regulation, and the agreement awakened FIA and that’s why is secret.
Let just wait and see who also cheated, or is cheating?
Moreover, to be honest, yes one needs big balls to post / tell the truth. However, to post only not proven theories that suits one personal beliefs and fan feelings, that is closer to stupidity.
I fell off the floor laughing when I heard it.subcritical71 wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020, 00:36No disrespect to teams as they will almost always act in their own interest, but during free practice today the sky pundits mentioned that Matteo only asks that the FIA are transparent.... no f’ing way that can be true! Tell me that was a joke.
The whole 'smoking gun' of this seems to be that none of the teams protested so they must be up to something.J0ker wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 11:20One either has big balls or is stupid enough… with all do respect.
FIA INSTIGATES FULL INVESTIGATION ON ALL TEAMS CHEATING...
Did someone play foul?
And maybe, just maybe, the agreement that FIA and Ferrari made, is just because till that moment FIA wasn’t able to understand where are the gray area limits of their regulation, and the agreement awakened FIA and that’s why is secret.
Let just wait and see who also cheated, or is cheating?
Moreover, to be honest, yes one needs big balls to post / tell the truth. However, to post only not proven theories that suits one personal beliefs and fan feelings, that is closer to stupidity.
It is prossible that they had been cheating with the fuel sensor for so long(possibly starting in 2015) that they didn't think that they would be caught and therefore did not put any resources into improving the ICE without the fuel sensor cheat activated.Moore77 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2020, 09:50Being a Ferrari fan, I can't but simply wonder, how did they landed up in this situation? It's undeniable that, they have been hit extremely hard, with whatever that FIA found out of their PU. How could they be working on that grey area (assuming it was the case) for such a long time and to such a large extent that, they simply didn't know where to stop and focus on improving areas that would keep them in good light under the regulations. Was there never a Plan B?f1316 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2020, 22:09Yeah, we cannot at all say there’s anything “clear” that they were “cheating” - clear cheating would have had very different consequences. Almost certainly what was happening was not in the ‘spirit’ of the regulation, bit clearly Ferrari thought their ‘interpretation’ was in an area that, at the very least, could not be proven to be illegal (and so, in a very F1 sense, could be viewed as legal - this sport is the bastion of the loophole, after all).mafeotul wrote: ↑17 Aug 2020, 12:36
The lack of immediate action from the FIA in the manners of DSQ's is what puts me off the blatant cheating. Were the engines full legal? Ferrari probably thought they were. Did the FIA think that? They probably knew less about the whole situations than myself. But, there is no smoke without a fire so ...
In any case, whatever the truth is, it all seems very short sighted now, in that taking it away immediately left them with a pretty shoddy engine. Similarly, and to the original point, regardless of what’s right or wrong, it almost certainly would have been a more interesting season without the changes.
When the new ruling comes out, with regards to the Quali mode, I think Ferrari should simply put their most aggressive mode as the race mode and be ready to use as many PUs as possible, with penalties, even if it means a new PU in every race! They can make life a bit more exciting and at least, Leclerc can qualify a few places more closer to top 3 in odd races and can challenge for podiums. In other races where they take penalty, they can still qualify near the top, take penalty, start in their usual 8th to 12th position, but march hard in races to go closer to podiums.
The reason none of the rest of the teams protested is because it affects all of them fairly equally. If none has a quali mode, then all suffer equally and the outcome is "no change" on a Saturday afternoon.J0ker wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 11:20One either has big balls or is stupid enough… with all do respect.
FIA INSTIGATES FULL INVESTIGATION ON ALL TEAMS CHEATING...
Did someone play foul?
And maybe, just maybe, the agreement that FIA and Ferrari made, is just because till that moment FIA wasn’t able to understand where are the gray area limits of their regulation, and the agreement awakened FIA and that’s why is secret.
Let just wait and see who also cheated, or is cheating?
Moreover, to be honest, yes one needs big balls to post / tell the truth. However, to post only not proven theories that suits one personal beliefs and fan feelings, that is closer to stupidity.
You are trying to quote me on something I never said. Do not try to twist my words, it is clear why Ferrari has weak performance this season.tangodjango wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 21:01
Also equally stupid (your words not mine) is to believe that the run of Ferrari poles last year came to an end with 'addition of more downforce' to the car.
You could be right either way. Time will tell.
Or, there is the double bluff
That would have been beyond idiotic. You can't just rely on luck that you wont be caught and stay still with the engine development. No trick on earth would have given them so much power that they could afford no development for 5 years. Its F1, remember?ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 21:40It is prossible that they had been cheating with the fuel sensor for so long(possibly starting in 2015) that they didn't think that they would be caught and therefore did not put any resources into improving the ICE without the fuel sensor cheat activated.
The development done was with the fuel trick employed. Development with and without the fuel trick would have required 2 parallel development tracks. 2 sets of dynos, almost 2 separate engine teams. Of course some of the developments work to improve the engine with and without the extra fuel, but if you are getting away with tricking the fuel meter for years, you will focus on maximizing that development path.falonso81 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2020, 10:01That would have been beyond idiotic. You can't just rely on luck that you wont be caught and stay still with the engine development. No trick on earth would have given them so much power that they could afford no development for 5 years. Its F1, remember?ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑19 Aug 2020, 21:40It is prossible that they had been cheating with the fuel sensor for so long(possibly starting in 2015) that they didn't think that they would be caught and therefore did not put any resources into improving the ICE without the fuel sensor cheat activated.
Well if both Ferrari’s end up behind the Alfa Romeo and just in front of the Haas then yes, I think the SF1000 is a dog of a car.JordanMugen wrote: ↑30 Aug 2020, 14:19Is it really? It can quite often carry higher corner speed than the SF90.