Minardi cosworth Ps05 2005 with TJ2005 engine - Help

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Minardi cosworth Ps05 2005 with TJ2005 engine - Help

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Hi to all

for pure passion in Minardi team and F1 in general, i'm building a model of the minardi Ps05 in 1:5 scale.
I have found many pictures of this car , so i had no problems to design the external.

I have many problems to find pictures and detailed view of the inside of this Car and especially of :
- the Engine
- radiators
- airbox (air intake+lower airbox)
- exhausts and gearbox
I need pictures of these parts

The only pictures where i see the engine and the others parts (found on the web) are of the Minardi Ps04B that ran in the GPs before the launch of the PS05 in April 2005.
Nothing of the PS05

Please, someone have pictures of the inside of that car, pictures of the details of the engine and others mechanical parts, that can share ?

Or can help me where to find these pictures or can help me in someway?

Only of the PS05 from april 2005 , not PS04B (as in picture attached)

I hope someone can help me
Many thanks in advance


Minardi PS04B
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Red Bull used the same Cosworth engine in 2005, so there should be plenty of engine pictures around.

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hi
thanks a lot for your help

Yes Red bull Rb1 in 2005 and Toro rosso Str1 in 2006 used the same engine (in 2006 the engine was the TJ2005 but limited because was changed the regulation and the engine had 8 cylinders)
Yes, the engine was the same of Rb1 and Str1 but the others parts i think were different (gearbox, radiators, radiators position, Air Intake/snorkel , rear suspension geometry and attach points , etc)
, so yes there are many pictures of the TJ2005 that i can use but no pictures of this engine mounted in minardi PS05 and pictures of all the others parts that were under the engine cover of PS05 (exactly the pictures that i need).

However Thanks a lot

Others helps?
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I found the following; https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Detai ... e-airbox-2

Looking at the exhaust and comparing the exhaust on the PS05 I wonder if it is any different. Outside of that, it is Minardi, so I'm not sure if the internals are even all that different.
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I very seriously doubt Cosworth (in fact don't think so at all) made different engines for each team. The internals would be identical. Why would they change anything on an engine they'd run on the dyno and mapped? They'd absolutely keep them the same as possible. To make the engines differently, for some unknown reason, would require incredible effort, part tracking, manufacturing, dyno time, etc. etc. No way.

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hi , thanks a lot

The airbox in the link are : the airbox of the Rb1 2005 in the left, the airbox of the toro rosso STR1 in 2006, and the airbox of the RB1 used in some test in the right-low of the picture (i suppose was an airintake used only for test and events, ex jaguar R6 development)

From what i have seen on the web and in various books, i suppose the lower airbox with trumpets, fuel rail and the exhausts were the same for all the cars (red bull, toro rosso, minardi) but not the airintake/snorkel.

I don't think that the others parts i want to see, are the same in Ps05 and in the others cars: radiators, radiators fitment and positioning, gearbox, rear suspension attachment, electronic details and cases.

For this reason i asked for pictures of all the parts under the engine cover where to see clearly them.

I have asked to minardi but unfortunately they have not pictures of this.
I have asked to G. Tredozi (the chief designer of that car) and i'm waiting a reply
I have asked to Cosworth but they don't want to help me
I have not found scale models where to see the parts in question

I don't know who bought the PS05 cars when the team was sold.
Someone knows who bought them, so i can contact him ?

No one have pictures of the PS05 where to see this ?

Please
Thanks a lot for every kind of help

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Here's an article about the auction where all the Minardi stuff was sold

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/50639/1/m ... es-history

from the article
The largest-ever auction of modern F1 cars and memorabilia came to a highly successful conclusion on Saturday with Minardi Team Principal Paul Stoddart, and auctioneers Bache Treharne, pronouncing themselves extremely pleased with the overall result of the sale.
You might contact Bache Treharne auctioneers and see if they could provide sale information.....

Edited to add: I just noticed this auction was in 2004 so might not be helpful.

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Hi
Yes, as you said, unfortunately in that auction of Nov 2004 , no Ps05 was sold of course but only some previous models of Stoddart collections and spare parts.
However thanks

I have heard that is possible that "Jumbo" (the minardi team sponsor in that years, not 2004-2005) bought many minardi parts.
I'm not sure
Someone can confirm this ?

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The reason I left the post up after realizing my error with dates was that the auction company might be a good resource. Anyone who bought a car was probably a serious Minardi fan or a resale business; it's possible that their interest might mean they were aware of later sales, etc. So it might be possible to get information from buyers at that auction about what happened with the 2005 cars, assuming the auction company would connect you.

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I will try. Thanks a lot for your help

No one has pictures of the PS05 , of the engine parts and mechanical parts i'm looking for?
Pictures taken in events, gp or other ?
Or knows who has the cars ?

I have found some months ago this video but unfortunately i can't see clearly the details i need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eukaDc6uZXQ&t=230s
I only can suppose from this video the radiators fitment, the oil tank fitment, the exhausts were equals to Rb1 but i can't see the others parts and the details.
I don't see the airbox, air intake, the gearbox, the connections, the electronic, etc etc

Thanks in advance for every idea or help

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Some news ?

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Many pictures and video found of the same engine of the PS05 fitted in others cars of the formula Boss Gp (jaguar r5, toro rosso Str1, super aguri sa06…..one bar honda with tj engine) but nothing of the Minardi PS05 and nothing of the parts i need

Nobody has useful pics of the parts i need?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/belgian-m ... 5105592034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIx3Cv69reQ
https://www.facebook.com/modatekltd/vid ... 667023262/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/68967207@ ... 450958763/
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The bar honda had an LK v10 that was internally upgraded to TJ, similar internals except lk is 72 v10 and tj is 90 v10.

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Kind of off putting here misterf12000 as you seem to assume all of us should help you and then complain when we don't produce what you want. Just sayin'.

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You mentioned you approached minardi, Giancarlo Minardi is retired from the industry and probably wouldnt enjoy being approached without any formality. Your car was constructed by Paul Stoddart, he still has involvement with f1 running 2 seater rides at selected races.
He probably owns the rights still, but you cant just rock up to visit him and ask, probably a formal letter with honest and clear writing may get a result? Torro rosso/alpha tauri bought Minardi in 2006 yes? Unsure, but i doubt they sought the rights to the cars, if they did then maybe their PR department might give you an outline if youre lucky, i doubt you will get the 'meat' of the cars internals.
Schumacher era ferraris were so well photographed and documented, may i advise you choose f2000? The entire rear end was used by Prost gp in 2001, blueprints available at Gurneyflap.com, also the tamiya model was a razor sharp scale replica to reference, i promise you f2000 is THE best choice for a 1/5 scratch build.