There was "no pressure" because the team did their jobs correctly. I didn't see anything terrifying today.tpe wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:39 pmThere was no pressure though!
McLaren gone backwards, Ferrari the same, but in a lesser extent, if you compare both teams with RB and Merc just a few races ago.
Obviously they don't care ttoo much for this season.
Am I happy with the pistops? Yes
Am I happy with the strategy? Not sure, because the others were not very close.
As for the car, let's wait and see. What we saw today was terrifying.
One other thing to consider as well is that everyone is going in with a brand new chassis, new aero, wheels etc. The W12 and the RB16B are now suited verrry directly to Hamilton and Verstappen. There may be some struggles for them in the new cars. I think the field could be more even that we think.wowgr8 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:34 pmRE that PU argument on the last page, junpingfish is right. I think the engine will be the most important factor because the aero regs are very tight + there's the budget cap. That's what I'm worried about the most, Mercedes will not be asleep and Ferrari will need to be doubling their efforts because I've no doubt Mercedes will find another 30hp on top of other improvements, we need to find more than 40hp ourselves.
If the engine is good and the car wins a few races next season will be a big win in my eyes. Expecting a championship challenge is a bit too optimistic imo, Binotto has said time and time again, it will take time, my hope for next season is a good competitive engine within 5hp of Mercedes
Binotto told a couple of years ago that it will take time, not recently. The goal is to fight for the title in 2022, that’s absolutely clear.wowgr8 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:34 pmRE that PU argument on the last page, junpingfish is right. I think the engine will be the most important factor because the aero regs are very tight + there's the budget cap. That's what I'm worried about the most, Mercedes will not be asleep and Ferrari will need to be doubling their efforts because I've no doubt Mercedes will find another 30hp on top of other improvements, we need to find more than 40hp ourselves.
If the engine is good and the car wins a few races next season will be a big win in my eyes. Expecting a championship challenge is a bit too optimistic imo, Binotto has said time and time again, it will take time, my hope for next season is a good competitive engine within 5hp of Mercedes
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 021-11-14/The second-generation ethanol to be used by Ferrari is made of sugarcane bagasse, a byproduct that used to be thrown away. Second-generation ethanol is already produced in a Raizen unit in the Sao Paulo state countryside and raises ethanol productivity by 50% without adding planted area, according to Raizen.
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The Raizen agreement may give Ferrari an advantage in the fuel blend, as the other teams will most probably use first- generation ethanol in the first blend with 10% of renewable fuel. "We will not supply second-generation ethanol to the other teams", said Shell Mobility vice president István Kapitány in an interview to Reuters.
Kapitány said Shell thinks the fuel can increase Ferrari team's competitiveness. After F-1 cars use second-generation ethanol, it will be launched to general consumers, the executive added, as Shell has already done with fuels and lubricants initially tested on the race track. Ferrari, Shell and Raizen did not disclose financial terms of the partnership.
Doesn't this mean that Ferrari will have their ICE optimized for this second-generation ethanol and thus have a kind of a long-lasting advantage considering the homologation?jumpingfish wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:07 amRaizen, Shell to supply second-generation ethanol to Ferrari F-1 team (for 2022)
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 021-11-14/The second-generation ethanol to be used by Ferrari is made of sugarcane bagasse, a byproduct that used to be thrown away. Second-generation ethanol is already produced in a Raizen unit in the Sao Paulo state countryside and raises ethanol productivity by 50% without adding planted area, according to Raizen.
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The Raizen agreement may give Ferrari an advantage in the fuel blend, as the other teams will most probably use first- generation ethanol in the first blend with 10% of renewable fuel. "We will not supply second-generation ethanol to the other teams", said Shell Mobility vice president István Kapitány in an interview to Reuters.
Kapitány said Shell thinks the fuel can increase Ferrari team's competitiveness. After F-1 cars use second-generation ethanol, it will be launched to general consumers, the executive added, as Shell has already done with fuels and lubricants initially tested on the race track. Ferrari, Shell and Raizen did not disclose financial terms of the partnership.
I honestly don't know the chemical difference between these generations of fuel, from what I have read now, it seems that the first generation is made from traditional agricultural crops, and the second from the waste products of these crops, woodworking production (oilcake, squeeze, biomass).LM10 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:14 pmDoesn't this mean that Ferrari will have their ICE optimized for this second-generation ethanol and thus have a kind of a long-lasting advantage considering the homologation?jumpingfish wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:07 amRaizen, Shell to supply second-generation ethanol to Ferrari F-1 team (for 2022)
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 021-11-14/The second-generation ethanol to be used by Ferrari is made of sugarcane bagasse, a byproduct that used to be thrown away. Second-generation ethanol is already produced in a Raizen unit in the Sao Paulo state countryside and raises ethanol productivity by 50% without adding planted area, according to Raizen.
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The Raizen agreement may give Ferrari an advantage in the fuel blend, as the other teams will most probably use first- generation ethanol in the first blend with 10% of renewable fuel. "We will not supply second-generation ethanol to the other teams", said Shell Mobility vice president István Kapitány in an interview to Reuters.
Kapitány said Shell thinks the fuel can increase Ferrari team's competitiveness. After F-1 cars use second-generation ethanol, it will be launched to general consumers, the executive added, as Shell has already done with fuels and lubricants initially tested on the race track. Ferrari, Shell and Raizen did not disclose financial terms of the partnership.
I wonder where the performance increase (or competitive advantage) would come from. It mentions it being better for the environment, cleaner, etc. but not anything regarding performance other than speculation regarding a competitive advantage. Does it burn hotter, more efficiently? Does it ignite faster? This will be interesting.jumpingfish wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:07 amRaizen, Shell to supply second-generation ethanol to Ferrari F-1 team (for 2022)
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 021-11-14/The second-generation ethanol to be used by Ferrari is made of sugarcane bagasse, a byproduct that used to be thrown away. Second-generation ethanol is already produced in a Raizen unit in the Sao Paulo state countryside and raises ethanol productivity by 50% without adding planted area, according to Raizen.
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The Raizen agreement may give Ferrari an advantage in the fuel blend, as the other teams will most probably use first- generation ethanol in the first blend with 10% of renewable fuel. "We will not supply second-generation ethanol to the other teams", said Shell Mobility vice president István Kapitány in an interview to Reuters.
Kapitány said Shell thinks the fuel can increase Ferrari team's competitiveness. After F-1 cars use second-generation ethanol, it will be launched to general consumers, the executive added, as Shell has already done with fuels and lubricants initially tested on the race track. Ferrari, Shell and Raizen did not disclose financial terms of the partnership.