2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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DChemTech wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:25
AeroDynamic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 09:52
The new Mercedes does not live up to the spirit of the regulation. There are some parts that are illegal in our opinion.

– Christian Horner
RBR will protest
And that's why we shouldn't live in the spirit world. Proper engineering according to the provided quatitative rules being disputed because it may not be in line with some hooey qualitative feelings.

But hey, I hope the protest succeeds, just to piss off everyone that used the spirit-argument in past successful protests by MB. And after that, let's ditch spirit and go for SMART rulesets.
Or is it really that you hope a protest successfully damages Mercedes? :wink:
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Just_a_fan wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:37
DChemTech wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:25
AeroDynamic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 09:52


RBR will protest
And that's why we shouldn't live in the spirit world. Proper engineering according to the provided quatitative rules being disputed because it may not be in line with some hooey qualitative feelings.

But hey, I hope the protest succeeds, just to piss off everyone that used the spirit-argument in past successful protests by MB. And after that, let's ditch spirit and go for SMART rulesets.
Or is it really that you hope a protest successfully damages Mercedes? :wink:
No, it's what I say. I'd rather see a proper engineering sports without 'spirit of the rules' bollocks where designs are evaluated based on specific, measurable, actionable agreement with quantitative rules. And hence, that such spiritual protests would not occur or be dismissed right away.

But yeah, if such protests are going to happen anyway, then I'd rather see them hurt those that defended the 'spirit' interpretation/called a car that allegedly 'went against the spirit' 'illegal'. That it also damages Mercedes can be interpreted as a plus in that it harms 'the other' team, but I don't want to see a competition be influenced that way.

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AeroDynamic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:01
DChemTech wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:25
AeroDynamic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 09:52


RBR will protest
And that's why we shouldn't live in the spirit world. Proper engineering according to the provided quatitative rules being disputed because it may not be in line with some hooey qualitative feelings.

But hey, I hope the protest succeeds, just to piss off everyone that used the spirit-argument in past successful protests by MB. And after that, let's ditch spirit and go for SMART rulesets.
update




and yet, AMuS contradicts this.
"These are not mirror mounts, but two wings. They also have vertical baffles built on top. They have nothing to do with the mirror mount."

–Christian Horner
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... k-bahrain/


Edit again**

so RBR's official position is they have given no 'official' interview about the Mercedes.
And in a chat on camera with Ted he effectively denied having said anything. He needs to be careful what he says to anyone as it will get reported somewhere - or maybe that's the idea and he wants to put out the idea that they might protest just to see what happens.
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:lol:

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Just_a_fan wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:37
DChemTech wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:25
AeroDynamic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 09:52


RBR will protest
And that's why we shouldn't live in the spirit world. Proper engineering according to the provided quatitative rules being disputed because it may not be in line with some hooey qualitative feelings.

But hey, I hope the protest succeeds, just to piss off everyone that used the spirit-argument in past successful protests by MB. And after that, let's ditch spirit and go for SMART rulesets.
Or is it really that you hope a protest successfully damages Mercedes? :wink:
Can you please quit your 'Everything is against Hamilton and Mercedes' attitude? It's useless.

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lh13 wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 13:06
Just_a_fan wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 11:37
DChemTech wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 10:25


And that's why we shouldn't live in the spirit world. Proper engineering according to the provided quatitative rules being disputed because it may not be in line with some hooey qualitative feelings.

But hey, I hope the protest succeeds, just to piss off everyone that used the spirit-argument in past successful protests by MB. And after that, let's ditch spirit and go for SMART rulesets.
Or is it really that you hope a protest successfully damages Mercedes? :wink:
Can you please quit your 'Everything is against Hamilton and Mercedes' attitude? It's useless.
If you read the comment I was commenting on, you'll see that was where the Mercedes link was brought in, not by me. Also, no mention of Hamilton until you brought him in to the discussion.

You should also note the emoji indicating it was a light-hearted, gentle mickey-take, comment.

Perhaps you should consider your own reactions before jumping on other people's.
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Red Bull has been seen to have fluid seeping out of the rear body work seal. what might that be about?

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they just called it the 'weeping bull' :lol:

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AeroDynamic wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 17:46
Red Bull has been seen to have fluid seeping out of the rear body work seal. what might that be about?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNf9wrnUYA ... name=large

they just called it the 'weeping bull' :lol:
Radiator/intercooler leak most likely. The radiator exhaust under the engine cover.

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They have ice in there? Overheating problems?
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
10 Mar 2022, 18:47
They have ice in there? Overheating problems?
Cooler leak it seems.

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Solid first day of testing in Bahrain:
Head of Race Engineering Guillaume Rocquelin added: “We had a good day today, in one day we did the amount of mileage we would usually carry out across an entire race weekend. That means being able to gauge the reliability of parts across the race weekend in one day and we are in a good place. A few things fell away here and there, but there was no massive time lost in the garage due to big issues. We were not focused on pace today and we ran a programme we felt would be useful to learn from, so we’re really pleased that we managed to get through so much work. As we have ticked the box of race distance today, it may not be as critical tomorrow, so we will still do fairly long runs but maybe not with pit stops. Every day we are learning more and getting better.”

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Why do RBR use crosshead or pozidrive screws, instead of the fashionable Torx, for the bodywork? :?: :)

You'd think the potential for screwhead damage with crosshead, thus causing delays in car disassembly or assembly, would be too much of a risk?

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Too easy to overtighten delicate body panels with torx head fasteners.
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JordanMugen wrote:
11 Mar 2022, 01:07
Why do RBR use crosshead or pozidrive screws, instead of the fashionable Torx, for the bodywork? :?: :)

You'd think the potential for screwhead damage with crosshead, thus causing delays in car disassembly or assembly, would be too much of a risk?
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JordanMugen wrote:
11 Mar 2022, 01:07
Why do RBR use crosshead or pozidrive screws, instead of the fashionable Torx, for the bodywork? :?: :)

You'd think the potential for screwhead damage with crosshead, thus causing delays in car disassembly or assembly, would be too much of a risk?
Probably material choice. If you use a aluminium or magnesium screw, you cross thread them less easy with this J-like screw head. Torx are more suitable for harder materials like titanium or steel.