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DutchPanther wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:06 pm
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Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:30 pm
DutchPanther wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:10 pm

I think they are trying to nail the TD039 regs before the break and, (in my opinion) they noticed more flexing with the CFRP beams
The opposite should be the case. Carbon fiber usually is much more rigid than titanium. Titanium also is a better shock absorber due to it's lower stiffness.
Actually yes you are right. Then I wonder if the CFRP beam got damaged after Silverstone and RB simply did not have enough time to reproduce it? Anyways we did not see the full extent of the damage to Max's floor
Don't they just connect the carbon part to this titanium part with two screws. You can see the holes. Doesn't seem anything changes vs Canada.

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Cassius wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:51 pm
DutchPanther wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:06 pm
gandharva wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:30 pm

The opposite should be the case. Carbon fiber usually is much more rigid than titanium. Titanium also is a better shock absorber due to it's lower stiffness.
Actually yes you are right. Then I wonder if the CFRP beam got damaged after Silverstone and RB simply did not have enough time to reproduce it? Anyways we did not see the full extent of the damage to Max's floor
Don't they just connect the carbon part to this titanium part with two screws. You can see the holes. Doesn't seem anything changes vs Canada.
The leading carbon beam (just beside the end of the heat exchanger) seems to be a pure CFRP part which, in Austria, it was reverted back to the titanium spec

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DutchPanther wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:13 pm
AR3-GP wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:00 pm
DutchPanther wrote:
Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:10 pm

I think they are trying to nail the TD039 regs before the break and, (in my opinion) they noticed more flexing with the CFRP beams
TD039 addresses excessive plank deflection and wear. The floor stringers which are being highlighted in the images are related to floor edge stiffness.
Let's say that the outboard edges are meant to flex, if they flex down and 'seal' the sides they'll boost the ground effects making it harder for the suspension to cope and squat down thus rubbing the plank right? I think it's more like a butterfly effect, you optimise one thing and automatically you effect the other...
W13 floor edge moves much more than the RB18 floor edge. Mercedes are not concerned. RB don't appear to be either.

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https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ul-ricard/

AMuS reporting another upgrade is scheduled for Paul Ricard, but may not be ready in time. Not much substance in the article itself - most of it is about Austria

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I can't believe no one mentions the most obvious thing. Do you generate more lift with a narrow or wide wing? If the kick up point is wider will it generate more suction than if it's narrower?

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Do you think this cigar shape generates more suction at the kick up point?
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I can't believe no one mentions the most obvious thing. Do you generate more lift with a narrow or wide wing? If the kick up point is wider will it generate more suction than if it's narrower?

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Do you think this cigar shape generates more suction at the kick up point?

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It's like RBR has smart people working for them, using all the suction area available to them.
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AR3-GP wrote:
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https://i.imgur.com/DzIK6WM.png
For reference, the carbon ones in Canada.
That is not the same part.
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It very clearly is the same part, or rather parts, unless you thought it was about the circled one at the floor edge?
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^what RZS10 said.

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Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:18 pm
It very clearly is the same part, or rather parts, unless you thought it was about the circled one at the floor edge?
https://i.imgur.com/fvwbe1w.pngg
Then why circle the wrong part?
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godlameroso wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:36 pm
RZS10 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:18 pm
It very clearly is the same part, or rather parts, unless you thought it was about the circled one at the floor edge?
https://i.imgur.com/fvwbe1w.pngg
Then why circle the wrong part?
The part wasn't circled by me. I was simply recycling an older post to highlight the changes. Apologies for the confusion.

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I am seeing it right that the skinny exposed stay is connected to the carbon or titanium rear support?

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Back to that wear pattern in the plank… how can the central line wear while the left edge and the right edge do not?
It is a rhetorical question, but is that a natural plank cross section?
I would like to see a paleontologist.

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RZS10 wrote:
Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:18 pm
It very clearly is the same part, or rather parts, unless you thought it was about the circled one at the floor edge?
https://i.imgur.com/fvwbe1w.pngg
Yes, do excuse me, I used a recycled image where the outer edge of the floor was marked. It is as you marked, I was talking about those floor beams. It may be the same part but the material was different for Austria (titanium) instead of the CFRP ones.
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