McLaren MCL36

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Genuine question, if this has already been addressed then disregard:

The general consensus is that there is no single standout element or 'fundamental flaw' with the MCL36 causing the relative lack of performance. To me, this seems like it would be harder to make up ground relative to the competition, because there is no "low-hanging fruit" so to speak, but would this actually be the case, or is it too situational to tell?
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SmallSoldier wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:20 pm
vorticism wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:29 pm
daren_p wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:40 pm
Maybe I'm not properly understanding you either but the gap your talking about in the middle above the t-tray on the McLaren, as SmallSoldier is trying to point out is blocked off on the RB, with them having a round keel shape above the t-tray.
Right but ask yourself where that air goes on the RB.
I believe I may not be explaining myself well enough… The space that McLaren uses to divert air on top of the tunnels is the space that Red Bull uses for the keel… They don’t use “more” of the T-Tray volume than McLaren for it… In addition, the area between the most inward part of the Tunnel and the first strake in the MCL36 is larger than the one in the RB18, which is what ultimately feeds air into the Tunnel

Illustration of what I've been saying. RB diverts central air mass laterally (green) under the floor regardless of strake placement (strakes are aft of the bib/t-tray), McL divert same air over the top of their t-tray, which leads above their floor (blue). Yellow indicates the air mass below the strakes, always present even at zero ride height. You're making a point about what % of flow under the front floor makes it through to the tunnel waist and diffuser; I'm just talking about how the areas of the front floor are divided, in front view. Ultimately that mass under the nose is going somewhere, on the McL it's going up, on the RB its going sideways.

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continuum16 wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:52 pm
Genuine question, if this has already been addressed then disregard:

The general consensus is that there is no single standout element or 'fundamental flaw' with the MCL36 causing the relative lack of performance. To me, this seems like it would be harder to make up ground relative to the competition, because there is no "low-hanging fruit" so to speak, but would this actually be the case, or is it too situational to tell?
Normally, Iwould agree with you. With the change in regs this year, everything is a low hanging fruit. You just never know who's branch will bear more Fruit.


McLaren's biggest challenge is Aero time. The rules implemented this year on allocation of aero, based on how they finished last year, 4 of the 7 teams ahead of them in constructors have more aero time.

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diffuser wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 8:25 pm
continuum16 wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:52 pm
Genuine question, if this has already been addressed then disregard:

The general consensus is that there is no single standout element or 'fundamental flaw' with the MCL36 causing the relative lack of performance. To me, this seems like it would be harder to make up ground relative to the competition, because there is no "low-hanging fruit" so to speak, but would this actually be the case, or is it too situational to tell?
Normally, Iwould agree with you. With the change in regs this year, everything is a low hanging fruit. You just never know who's branch will bear more Fruit.


McLaren's biggest challenge is Aero time. The rules implemented this year on allocation of aero, based on how they finished last year, 4 of the 7 teams ahead of them in constructors have more aero time.
Red Bull had the second least aero time in the grid, but still they seem to be doing alright.

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DiogoBrand wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:03 pm
diffuser wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 8:25 pm
continuum16 wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:52 pm
Genuine question, if this has already been addressed then disregard:

The general consensus is that there is no single standout element or 'fundamental flaw' with the MCL36 causing the relative lack of performance. To me, this seems like it would be harder to make up ground relative to the competition, because there is no "low-hanging fruit" so to speak, but would this actually be the case, or is it too situational to tell?
Normally, Iwould agree with you. With the change in regs this year, everything is a low hanging fruit. You just never know who's branch will bear more Fruit.


McLaren's biggest challenge is Aero time. The rules implemented this year on allocation of aero, based on how they finished last year, 4 of the 7 teams ahead of them in constructors have more aero time.
Red Bull had the second least aero time in the grid, but still they seem to be doing alright.
Didn't say it was impossible, just a challenge. RBR have the same challenge with Ferrari.

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shady wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:46 pm
vorticism wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:26 pm
Emag wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:45 pm
According to the team, they are missing downforce, and quite a lot of it.
They are sending about a quarter less air under the floor than the other teams, that might have something to do with it.
I mean.. the idea is to try and have as low pressure under the car as possible (aka vacuum) probably a balance but I would think thats the point. 'less air' or higher velocity air (bernoulli)
Not a vacuum. Low pressure means high speed air. A vacuum (if you may call it that) i.e diffuser on the other end encourages more air.

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M840TR wrote:
Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:24 pm
shady wrote:
Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:46 pm
vorticism wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:26 pm


They are sending about a quarter less air under the floor than the other teams, that might have something to do with it.
I mean.. the idea is to try and have as low pressure under the car as possible (aka vacuum) probably a balance but I would think thats the point. 'less air' or higher velocity air (bernoulli)
Not a vacuum. Low pressure means high speed air. A vacuum (if you may call it that) i.e diffuser on the other end encourages more air.
I think that is very necessarily a vacuum - the pressure differential is large enough to create suction (pull high pressure air to fill the void (nature attempting to bring the atmosphere to equilibrium))

"in engineering and applied physics on the other hand, vacuum refers to any space in which the pressure is considerably lower than atmospheric pressure."

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Where does the FIA publish the report which states which teams has brought what upgrade? and can us commoners see it for example is it posted on their website? Also when does the report get published?
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:19 am
Where does the FIA publish the report which states which teams has brought what upgrade? and can us commoners see it for example is it posted on their website? Also when does the report get published?
Yep it's part of Race Scrutineering. It will says something like "After the race: The following cars were weighed:" nothing else unless there is a problem.

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Not sure if this pic of rear suspension has been posted...

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The rear wing looks huge.
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what do we know about any updates to the car for Melbourne? or will we have to wait for the european part of the seasn to see a signicant upgrade?

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genarro wrote:
Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:43 am
what do we know about any updates to the car for Melbourne? or will we have to wait for the european part of the seasn to see a signicant upgrade?
I hope it will be the brakes, maybe something else on the little things.

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Does the floor look different?