Alternative to the Current WDC and WCC Points Method

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Alternative to the Current WDC and WCC Points Method

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There are 2 concurrent F1 championships WDC and WCC
Currently the driver gets unfairly penalised from matters that are not his fault.
Eg, wheels not fitted properly, going over allocation of components etc.

An alternative might work this way for example over say 8 races:
C = constructors fault; 0 = driver fault; Crash no fault = NF

Driver 1: 25,25,15, 0, C, C, C, NF =65/out of a possible 100 = 65%
Driver 2: 15,18,12, 4, 6, 25, C, C = 80/ out of a possible 150 = 53.3%

Constructor faults are deducted from WCC accumulated points.
No grid penalties for drivers for constructor fault.

Crash at fault = grid penalty?? continues into points ??
Crash no fault, continues into points?? continues but unable to get to points ??

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Re: Alternative to the Current WDC and WCC Points Method

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F1 is a team sport. As much as we do not want to see driver being penalised for team's mistake, equally a team shouldn't be penalised for driver's mistake like when driver dumps the car into a wall in races. How can that be taken care of? Team loses valuable points and a lot of money in constructors at the end of the year, not to mention the repair costs and the impact on budget cap. The change has to be fair for both driver and the team.
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As Ryar said, F1 is a team sport, and for the major part an engineering competition, much more than a driver competition.

Other than that, complex systems like you are proposing are very likely to be manipulated. Driver having a poor weekend and running in 10th place,... engine stopped due to a software glitch. Verstappen would only have fail to finish all of the upcoming races due to reliability to become WDC.

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Agree with others, it's a team sport.

The only thing I might do is change the current grid penalty system for going over PU part allocations, to a points penalty in the WCC only.

As things stand, you have a PU failure which forces you to retire from a race, so you loose points. Then at the following race, you have to fit a new PU which, if it takes you over your allocation, means a grid penalty. So you're effectively penalised twice.

I would propose instead that there is no grid penalty, but that the WCC points in the race where you fit the new PU components are halved, while the driver can score full points.
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Further to this matter, Peter Windsor in his latest look at qualifying at Spa has commented on this problem where drivers are penalised for something that is not their fault has suggested a point for pole.
While this doesnt solve the problem completely it is at least someway to a remedy for this serious anomaly.

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johnny comelately wrote:
Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:59 am
Further to this matter, Peter Windsor in his latest look at qualifying at Spa has commented on this problem where drivers are penalised for something that is not their fault has suggested a point for pole.
While this doesnt solve the problem completely it is at least someway to a remedy for this serious anomaly.
I do not see it as a problem. The driver benefits from a new engine, so should they lose points when new parts are fitted?

If a tyre fault retires a driver from a points position they are not reimbursed, its the way things are.
In reality, the driver is a component of he car until he gets out, they are like a horse and jockey. Jockey falls off and horse finishes first, no points.
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johnny comelately wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:39 pm
There are 2 concurrent F1 championships WDC and WCC
Currently the driver gets unfairly penalised from matters that are not his fault.
Eg, wheels not fitted properly, going over allocation of components etc.

An alternative might work this way for example over say 8 races:
C = constructors fault; 0 = driver fault; Crash no fault = NF

Driver 1: 25,25,15, 0, C, C, C, NF =65/out of a possible 100 = 65%
Driver 2: 15,18,12, 4, 6, 25, C, C = 80/ out of a possible 150 = 53.3%

Constructor faults are deducted from WCC accumulated points.
No grid penalties for drivers for constructor fault.

Crash at fault = grid penalty?? continues into points ??
Crash no fault, continues into points?? continues but unable to get to points ??
People should stop trying to separate the driver and the team. They are and will always be one entity.

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At Monza, there was Martin Brundle, Karun Chandok, Naomi Schiff and Simon Lazenby raising the problem of the penalties system being just plain wrong, suggesting Ross Brawn may consider change.
There are two perspectives with this problem
1 the inadequate allocations
2 the confluence of team and driver which should be separated.
The quiet revolution continues :wink: