Sieper wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:57 pm
cliffgamerz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:10 am
I re-watched the last part of the race again to see what went wrong, on lap 47 Ricardo came to halt on entry to second Lesmo corner where there was no escape route to clear the car by marshals, so it should have been a double waved yellows and or virtual safety car should have been put up immediately, but instead a yellow on the second sector was put up for full 1 lap or to be precise around a full minute to change status to FULL SAFETY CAR on OSD only and not VIRTUAL SAFETY CAR which was on lap 48, but safety car wasn't out on track till lap 51 started and it caught Russell and not Max!? Now to my surprise what happened between lap 48 till 51 where was safety car and no media or people are discussing this matter, on sky commentary on Karun questioned on lap 50 where is safety car on track but it was still not on track but on pit-lane. FIA seriously needs to answer this procedure as it was not according to normal standard procedure, last year Abu Dhabi is a different thing and its not related to what happened here, the system is flawed and i was surprised no teams nor media or fans as discussing this topic. Also it wasn't a crash and no debris or damage to barrier was there to halt the safe restart to race which was bizarre, at least one lap racing was possible because car was cleared off track at end of lap 51. All these careful observations were made by pausing the broadcast and taking notes, so anyone else can do the same to confirm my findings.
I can also understand the anger of Tifosi's shown at end of the race, but honestly it was so wrong of anyone to Boo at drivers for something they didn't have control at or even do anything wrong from their end, it is pathetic if the crowd threw foul language and hatred towards Max's family or team members, those people should be banned from entry to any F1 events or any events. To be just mad or angry at FIA for what happened is fair, but that doesn't mean doing death threats or calling names, instead it needs proper investigation and review like last years last race. Also i see people on this forum just show a hate towards other fans, so i never comment always,i just want to share my unbiased opinion and if anyone is offended by anything i say i will say sorry in advance as i don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings, we are just fans, let the drivers and teams do the fighting on track, lets just enjoy the races as they are as long as they are fair and fun to watch.
Good analysis, like you said, this was nothing like Abu Dhabi, there they were quick to act, here, incredibly slow. And they made errors as well. By picking up Russell, and this late, no one but Max and Charles and some lapped cars were collected behind the SC in the last lap. There was no way to restart anymore as nobody was in a position to race.
I think they expected Ricciardo’s car to be pushed back and then continue. But it turned out to be seized and dropping the clutch did not work. They made no contingency for this and then it seemed they slightly panicked and made the wrong calls.
It certainly wasn’t as it should be, like Toto stated. Not an iota.
It is absolutely amazing how the media and a bad TV crew can change the narrative and create a false story that the whole world runs with for days...
So, I am rewatching in F1TV with the driver tracker on... occasionally checking driver cameras.
change status to FULL SAFETY CAR on OSD only and not VIRTUAL SAFETY CAR which was on lap 48, but safety car wasn't out on track till lap 51 started and it caught Russell and not Max!? Now to my surprise what happened between lap 48 till 51 where was safety car and no media or people are discussing this matter, on sky commentary on Karun questioned on lap 50 where is safety car on track but it was still not on track but on pit-lane
Yep, lap 50... where is the SC?!?! That was all of us on TV, no?
In reality, in lap 48 out of 53, with Verstappen approaching Lesmo, Russel ducks into the pits. By the time he comes out of the pit lane, Verstappen is half way through the lap, 5-1/2 laps to go, and THE SAFETY CAR IS AWAITING RUSSEL IN THE FIRST CHICANE!!! But the TV crews missed that.
OK, it is not waiting, the SC is moving relatively fast, but in plain sight in front of Russell, on track.
Why in front of Russell? Who knows. But on track. On lap 48.
By the time Russell has negotiated the first chicane, he slows down to SC speed. Max is entering the last chicane, 5.3 laps to go.
What happens after this, and the TV missed, is nothing short of amazing:
The SC continues to lap the track... as fast as it can? Normally the SC suffers in corners, but Monza... so the SC goes on, with a lap time that might be not that different to the lap deltas that the drivers have to obey...
Magnussen and Sainz catch Russell by the second chicane. Max is out of parabolica. Lap counter still in 48/53. When I say catch I mean... 20 car lenghts? Magnussen doesn't really catch Russel until the Lesmos. Half a lap after picking Russell, the queue is only 3 cars long.
The SC floors it again!
By the finish line, Hamilton is catching Sainz but not quite! One lap in, the SC queue is 3-5 cars long. Verstappen is in Lesmo 2!
The SC is still on track, of course, just not on camera.
Perez catches the queue between the Lesmos. Now it is 5 cars. Verstappen is way into lap 50/53. As Russell and the SC approach the last chicane, Tsunoda, Leclerc and Latifi are still in the main straight!
Norris catches the group after the last chicane.
As they cross the finish line, Gasly and DeVries have also joined the queue. 2 laps in, the queue is kind of 8 cars long. Max is not even in parabolica!
Verstappen crosses the line, starting lap 51/53 more or less as Russell is entering the first chicane. It is kind of a queue, but a very extended one. After 2 laps and a bit of SC, 4 Cars are still to catch up to the SC.
By the time Latifi, the last car, truly catches the queue, (so, now the Stewards finally have a decent gap to work on), the SC, now on camera, is entering the final chicane.
Essentially, the SC has covered 2.7 laps in the time Latifi covered 3.6 laps!
So, the SC car was, amazingly, too fast!!! Juzh, how fast? And that is what took SOOOOO LOOONG... OFF CAMERA!
And then of course, it was the wrong car, but whatever.
Eventually the SC did pick Verstappen instead, roughly at the same time Russel was crossing the finish line with 2 full laps to go. This time yes, Russell and his train manages about 1.9 laps in the time Verstappen managed 1.1 laps, did the SC slow down?
Rivals, not enemies.