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RB18 has 16 wins not 14. Max has 14.

Edit: Posted date is Oct 29, before Max won Mexico so it should be 15 but 15 out of 19.

The percentage after US GP was 78.9%. Now its 80%, 16/20.

Best the RB18 could do is 81.8%

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Technically, most dominant team-driver-car combinations ;)

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The car dominated post summer break like no other. Proably at 100% win rate?
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PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:54 am
The car dominated post summer break like no other. Proably at 100% win rate?
If they had a top second driver they'd have the most 1-2's

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Ferrari f2002 is underrated the car was a machine

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DChemTech wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:27 am
Technically, most dominant team-driver-car combinations ;)
They have one driver that is capable of winning lots of races, and one that apparently isn't. The MP4/4, the W05,06 and 07 were all pedalled by pairs of drivers more than capable of winning lots of races. If Perez was closer to Max (the drivers had been with those cars mentioned), the RB18 could have even more wins as Perez would have likely taken first instead of the second he did on at least two occasions (Australia and Britain).

Max has done a brilliant job of maximising the potential of his own car, that's for sure.

The figures for the F2002 are wrong. The F2002 won 14/15 races in 2002 and then as the F2002B won 1/4 races in 2003. In 2002, Schumacher came first or second in every race that the F2002 ran in, Rubens won all of the races that Michael was second in except for Monaco. So the F2002 in 2002 had a win percentage of 93.33%, not 88%. The error is because the F2002 didn't race until the third race of the 17-race season. The F2001 started the 2002 season with Michael winning the first race and coming third in the second one.

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MadMax wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:50 pm
DChemTech wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:27 am
Technically, most dominant team-driver-car combinations ;)
They have one driver that is capable of winning lots of races, and one that apparently isn't. The MP4/4, the W05,06 and 07 were all pedalled by pairs of drivers more than capable of winning lots of races. If Perez was closer to Max (the drivers had been with those cars mentioned), the RB18 could have even more wins as Perez would have likely taken first instead of the second he did on at least two occasions (Australia and Britain).

Max has done a brilliant job of maximising the potential of his own car, that's for sure.

The figures for the F2002 are wrong. The F2002 won 14/15 races in 2002 and then as the F2002B won 1/4 races in 2003. In 2002, Schumacher came first or second in every race that the F2002 ran in, Rubens won all of the races that Michael was second in except for Monaco. So the F2002 in 2002 had a win percentage of 93.33%, not 88%. The error is because the F2002 didn't race until the third race of the 17-race season. The F2001 started the 2002 season with Michael winning the first race and coming third in the second one.
I didn't necessarily mean that - just that if any of these cars was driven by, say, the driver duo Latifi/Mazepin, they would not be on this list.

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DChemTech wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:23 pm
MadMax wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:50 pm
DChemTech wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:27 am
Technically, most dominant team-driver-car combinations ;)
They have one driver that is capable of winning lots of races, and one that apparently isn't. The MP4/4, the W05,06 and 07 were all pedalled by pairs of drivers more than capable of winning lots of races. If Perez was closer to Max (the drivers had been with those cars mentioned), the RB18 could have even more wins as Perez would have likely taken first instead of the second he did on at least two occasions (Australia and Britain).

Max has done a brilliant job of maximising the potential of his own car, that's for sure.

The figures for the F2002 are wrong. The F2002 won 14/15 races in 2002 and then as the F2002B won 1/4 races in 2003. In 2002, Schumacher came first or second in every race that the F2002 ran in, Rubens won all of the races that Michael was second in except for Monaco. So the F2002 in 2002 had a win percentage of 93.33%, not 88%. The error is because the F2002 didn't race until the third race of the 17-race season. The F2001 started the 2002 season with Michael winning the first race and coming third in the second one.
I didn't necessarily mean that - just that if any of these cars was driven by, say, the driver duo Latifi/Mazepin, they would not be on this list.
While I agree with you, a team that could produce any of these cars is not going to employ drivers of that cabler.
There is usually far more to a team with multiple championships than 'just' good cars and good drivers.
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PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:54 am
The car dominated post summer break like no other. Proably at 100% win rate?
There is a very obvious example that did dominate to the end of a season after the summer break.

I'm not sure race wins tells enough about how dominant a car was or is. The F2002/F2004/W05/W06/W07/W11 cars all had huge pace advantages in race trim for entire seasons and usually the teams stopped development before the summer break.

A rule clarification mid season has had a massive hand in the RB18 becoming dominant, similar to the RB9 back in the day.

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Another measure is the gap between first and second after some number of laps. A dominant car will usually close the gap when chasing first place. The same dominant car will extend the gap to some safe distance like 10 to 15 seconds and then maintain it if the tyre management allows.
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DChemTech wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:23 pm
MadMax wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:50 pm
DChemTech wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:27 am
Technically, most dominant team-driver-car combinations ;)
They have one driver that is capable of winning lots of races, and one that apparently isn't. The MP4/4, the W05,06 and 07 were all pedalled by pairs of drivers more than capable of winning lots of races. If Perez was closer to Max (the drivers had been with those cars mentioned), the RB18 could have even more wins as Perez would have likely taken first instead of the second he did on at least two occasions (Australia and Britain).

Max has done a brilliant job of maximising the potential of his own car, that's for sure.

The figures for the F2002 are wrong. The F2002 won 14/15 races in 2002 and then as the F2002B won 1/4 races in 2003. In 2002, Schumacher came first or second in every race that the F2002 ran in, Rubens won all of the races that Michael was second in except for Monaco. So the F2002 in 2002 had a win percentage of 93.33%, not 88%. The error is because the F2002 didn't race until the third race of the 17-race season. The F2001 started the 2002 season with Michael winning the first race and coming third in the second one.
I didn't necessarily mean that - just that if any of these cars was driven by, say, the driver duo Latifi/Mazepin, they would not be on this list.
Oh, quite so. You need car AND driver. My point was that if Red Bull had two competitive drivers the car might have even better figures than it does now. The MP4/4 was so successful because it was a great car AND it had two of the best F1 drivers out there driving it. If Sergio was closer to Max in the car, the car would have a better record. I think we can all agree on that. Max has done his part, Sergio less so.

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RonMexico wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:14 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:54 am
The car dominated post summer break like no other. Proably at 100% win rate?
There is a very obvious example that did dominate to the end of a season after the summer break.

I'm not sure race wins tells enough about how dominant a car was or is. The F2002/F2004/W05/W06/W07/W11 cars all had huge pace advantages in race trim for entire seasons and usually the teams stopped development before the summer break.

A rule clarification mid season has had a massive hand in the RB18 becoming dominant, similar to the RB9 back in the day.
The F2002 famously didn't even start the season. The F2001 was still good enough to win one of the first two races of the 2002 season and podium in the other race. Michael then took the F2002 in the third race and Rubens got it in the fourth race, and it was the utter class of the field that season. Ferrari had a decent run of cars in that period, although the F2002 was the absolute star of the line up, very closely followed by the F2004.

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Hi guys, I'm an F1 old fan, so thanks for the exciting discussion =D>

Here are the drivers of the Top 5
  • 1. McLaren-Honda MP 4/4 in 1988 (15 races out of 16: 93.75 %) - Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost
  • 2. Mercedes F1 W07 Hybrid in 2016 (19 races out of 21: 90.48 %) - Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg
  • 3. Ferrari F2001/F2002 in 2002 (15 races out of 17: 88.24 %) - Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello
  • 4. Ferrari 500 in 1952 (7 races out of 8: 87.50 %) - Piero Taruffi, Alberto Ascari, Luigi Villoresi, Andre Simon and Giuseppe Farina
  • 5. Alfa Romeo 158/159 Alfetta in 1950 (6 races out of 7: 85.71 %) - Giuseppe Farina, Juan Manuel Fangio, Luigi Fagioli, Reg Parnell, Consalvo Sanesi and Piero Taruffi