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Allison has said he hasnt touched anything to do with the W14 since he came back and is only working on the W15, i thought he did since the new floor at COTA was said to be a trail run for the new concept so dont know how that works but yea
and i think Lewis looking burnt out is a combination of him waiting to never have to drive the W14 again and the brutal schedule they had with the last two races, having to adjust to LV time, having to stay up until 4am and then going halfway across the world to a completely different timezone after just getting used to LV's timezone. the season was over, it was clear the car couldnt win a race, he had p3 in the driver's championship locked in and only had to worry about P2 for the team
Here is James Allison talking about the new floor in Oct 2023. Obviously, it didn't turn out as well as they hoped for
"It should be good at any circuit for the remainder of the year. It’s not transformative, [it] should be about a tenth of a second.
"It’s in the direction we think is decent, both for producing downforce in the right place, and hopefully being resistant to the bounciness that all these cars nibble at as soon as you try and get much downforce from them."
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... zloec.html
Car was good at all remaining tracks except Brazil which was a set up blunder. I would say the floor is working as he described it would but none of us have the data to say.
Either way the W15 will need to be a big improvement to compete at the front. Luckily they have some low hanging fruit like moving the cockpit back, no more zero pods chassis and the engine benefits that allegedly come from it and moving the SIPS. They will also need to complete redesign the suspension imo as that seems to be quite important in this rule set. An efficient car is what they need to make essentially, one that works at all if not most tracks. Not like other cars where they will be fast one race and then at the back in another, but luckily they’re not that inefficient.
I think Mercedes has a good chance to significantly improve over the winter since, as you say, there are some very low hanging fruit out there, particularly on the geometry of the chassis and rear suspension. Word on the street is that all teams are pretty much gonna copy Red Bull's approach next year so there should be some gains there from every team. The question (as always in F1) is how much relative
gain can teams make, and that comes down to how high the ceiling for Red Bull is. I hope it's quite low, and there are good reasons to think so. Since the aero development is quite limited by the regulations and the majority of downforce comes from the floor, perfecting the car is much more about optimizing the balance of the car than in previous seasons. You can't count on new parts simply making you faster (that's an oversimplification, I know, but the point is reasonable).
Instead, new parts that *should* be faster on paper may even make you go slower because they make it harder to hit the correct setup window. This has plagued all teams for the past two years to some degree. Most notably Aston Martin which brought upgrades around Canada that the team thought would help them challenge for wins, but instead completely backfired. Even Red Bull reverted to a previous spec at Singapore IIRC because they just couldn't hit the setup window with the new floor. Doesn't mean the new spec was somehow worse than the old one, but just demonstrates that perfecting the balance is by far the most important thing under these regs and that means developing the car correctly is difficult. So, I think there's good reason to think that at least a few teams (especially Ferrari if the word on the street is accurate) will be competitive next year, but until the cars hit the track next February we simply won't know.