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Pretty sure that Max's wing was trimmed deeper (based on how close to the edge the ORACLE logo is) but then there was more left behind the actuator..

we can see the white lettering of the ORACLE logo on Max's wing goes to the edge whereas on Perez's car it doesn't in the pic below

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Good spot. Verstappen's wing is indeed cut deeper. Actually both steps are deeper than perez' straight cut. Second cut on verstappen's car is visibly lower. Must be the reason for that strange looking DRS support in the middle.

Didn't seem to help verstappen much in passing sainz.. Perez had pretty much same top speeds everywhere. Must be DRS effect was equal on both cars.

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Juzh wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:45 pm
Good spot. Verstappen's wing is indeed cut deeper. Actually both steps are deeper than perez' straight cut. Second cut on verstappen's car is visibly lower. Must be the reason for that strange looking DRS support in the middle.

Didn't seem to help verstappen much in passing sainz.. Perez had pretty much same top speeds everywhere. Must be DRS effect was equal on both cars.
It's usually assumed that Verstappen has more front flap angle which is draggier. We've seen a season long trend usually when they both have the same rear wing, that Perez is typically about 2km/h quicker on the longer straights.

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There's nothing in the regs to stop rake from increasing in coming seasons. I wonder if that could be a scope of development once floors are fully sorted.
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organic wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:39 pm
Pretty sure that Max's wing was trimmed deeper (based on how close to the edge the ORACLE logo is) but then there was more left behind the actuator..

we can see the white lettering of the ORACLE logo on Max's wing goes to the edge whereas on Perez's car it doesn't in the pic below

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/R ... 033432.jpg
Could that be just a difference of rear load to help give Perez some confidence in the car? A little more rear end for Perez compared to Max. Max then also running a touch more front wing to give the front end that maximises the car.
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Just_a_fan wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:31 pm
organic wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:39 pm
Pretty sure that Max's wing was trimmed deeper (based on how close to the edge the ORACLE logo is) but then there was more left behind the actuator..

we can see the white lettering of the ORACLE logo on Max's wing goes to the edge whereas on Perez's car it doesn't in the pic below

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/R ... 033432.jpg
Could that be just a difference of rear load to help give Perez some confidence in the car? A little more rear end for Perez compared to Max. Max then also running a touch more front wing to give the front end that maximises the car.
Yeah I think in this case that's very likely it's mostly down to driver feel

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New rear-wing endplate corner, in the style of many other high downforce RWs on the grid (AMR, Merc, Alpha Tauri, Alpine, McLaren)

The design keeps reappearing but only in the high downforce configurations at monaco, singapore etc. Clearly results in greater max downforce config



Gurney flap also fitted!

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Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:03 am
Expect next update in singapore then. Cheers Marko.

Considering the general trend with high df wings up and down the field I'm going to assume that these new endplate styles are the way forward, at least for low efficiency tracks. Singapore's one of those and I feel this sort of endplate trick could be easily/cheaply be copied by RB for their next upgrades. Wouldn't expect much from the Singapore upgrade apart from that
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Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:23 am

Marko mentioned rb's only upgrade would come at Singapore. I suspect it will be rear wing endplates and a floor edge tweak
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organic wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:21 am
New rear-wing endplate corner, in the style of many other high downforce RWs on the grid (AMR, Merc, Alpha Tauri, Alpine, McLaren)

The design keeps reappearing but only in the high downforce configurations at monaco, singapore etc. Clearly results in greater max downforce config

Gurney flap also fitted!

Albert Fabrega πŸ“Έ

https://i.imgur.com/hvUaxJZ.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5-P6IkbIAA ... me=240x240

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organic wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:03 am
Expect next update in singapore then. Cheers Marko.

Considering the general trend with high df wings up and down the field I'm going to assume that these new endplate styles are the way forward, at least for low efficiency tracks. Singapore's one of those and I feel this sort of endplate trick could be easily/cheaply be copied by RB for their next upgrades. Wouldn't expect much from the Singapore upgrade apart from that
organic wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:23 am

Marko mentioned rb's only upgrade would come at Singapore. I suspect it will be rear wing endplates and a floor edge tweak
Has the boss that holds the flap pivot always been oriented sideways like that?

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AR3-GP wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2023 1:34 pm
organic wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:21 am
New rear-wing endplate corner, in the style of many other high downforce RWs on the grid (AMR, Merc, Alpha Tauri, Alpine, McLaren)

The design keeps reappearing but only in the high downforce configurations at monaco, singapore etc. Clearly results in greater max downforce config

Gurney flap also fitted!

Albert Fabrega πŸ“Έ

https://i.imgur.com/hvUaxJZ.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5-P6IkbIAA ... me=240x240

:P
organic wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:03 am
Expect next update in singapore then. Cheers Marko.

Considering the general trend with high df wings up and down the field I'm going to assume that these new endplate styles are the way forward, at least for low efficiency tracks. Singapore's one of those and I feel this sort of endplate trick could be easily/cheaply be copied by RB for their next upgrades. Wouldn't expect much from the Singapore upgrade apart from that
organic wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:23 am

Marko mentioned rb's only upgrade would come at Singapore. I suspect it will be rear wing endplates and a floor edge tweak
Has the boss that holds the flap pivot always been oriented sideways like that?
OK bear with i investigated:

sideways

Bahrain 2023:

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Baku

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Monaco

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Barcelona

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Canada,Austria - sideways as before

Silverstone

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Hungary - it changes

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So for Hungary it changes to a diagonal orientation for the DRS flap pivots but only for the high DF wing. The low DF wing at Monza still had horizontal pivots. [1] [2]

At Zandvoort and now for Singapore they have the diagonal pivots

Zandvoort

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Singapore

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It's just about reducing induced drag I think

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2 for 2 :shock:
organic wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:23 am
Marko mentioned rb's only upgrade would come at Singapore. I suspect it will be rear wing endplates and a floor edge tweak
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organic wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:58 am
2 for 2 :shock:
Well done. 8)
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RB19 for Suzuka again with the new floor edge wing which was run in Fp1/Fp2 at Singapore.

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Big opening to diffuser...

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