2023 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 30 - July 02

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2023 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 30 - July 02

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Another weekend of C3-C5. So far RB have been weaker in the softer compounds, but may be partly due to circuit characteristics that tend to require harder compounds (higher speed corners)..

Will be interesting to see where the laptime comes. Sector 1 under the previous rules was almost always fairly even between teams. Williams might even be purple there in quali if previous years are to go by

I'm expecting McLaren to have a strong showing here with the lower drag penalty and their good high speed performance. Is their so-called b-spec car upgrade coming this weekend or unconfirmed?

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Should be a good one! I’m there at the weekend so fingers crossed it will be good weather.

2nd GP I’ve been to aside from silverstone so should be good. In the Red Bull Stand ‘L’ so the view is pretty amazing
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chrisc90 wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:52 am
Should be a good one! I’m there at the weekend so fingers crossed it will be good weather.

2nd GP I’ve been to aside from silverstone so should be good. In the Red Bull Stand ‘L’ so the view is pretty amazing
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Have a great time Chris! Enjoy!🏎☀️
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Wouter wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:12 am
chrisc90 wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:52 am
Should be a good one! I’m there at the weekend so fingers crossed it will be good weather.

2nd GP I’ve been to aside from silverstone so should be good. In the Red Bull Stand ‘L’ so the view is pretty amazing
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Have a great time Chris! Enjoy!🏎☀️
Thanks

Pretty cool webcam of the track.

https://www.feratel.com/webcams/oesterr ... -ring.html
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organic wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:46 am
Another weekend of C3-C5. So far RB have been weaker in the softer compounds, but may be partly due to circuit characteristics that tend to require harder compounds (higher speed corners)..

Will be interesting to see where the laptime comes. Sector 1 under the previous rules was almost always fairly even between teams. Williams might even be purple there in quali if previous years are to go by

I'm expecting McLaren to have a strong showing here with the lower drag penalty and their good high speed performance. Is their so-called b-spec car upgrade coming this weekend or unconfirmed?

As per Stella last week... 50% coming in here in Austria, 25% in Silverstone & remaining 25% in Hungary...

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chrisc90 wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:52 am
Should be a good one! I’m there at the weekend so fingers crossed it will be good weather.

2nd GP I’ve been to aside from silverstone so should be good. In the Red Bull Stand ‘L’ so the view is pretty amazing

You're one lucky guy... Enjoy... :D :D

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Weren’t Merc serious pole contenders here last year until they both binned their cars?

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zibby43 wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:10 pm
Weren’t Merc serious pole contenders here last year until they both binned their cars?
On high altitude circuits, the W13 was a bit of a rocket. The rarefaction allowed them to run the car very low without porpoising (i.e closer to their simulation performance). The W14 is a bit of a different car though. It lacks overall downforce compared to RB and possibly AMR. At high altitude I think they won't be as strong. What made them so good at altitude last year is why the car was so flawed at sea-level. They now have a car that functions properly at sea-level so they don't have the advantage of having a hidden window that could only ever be unlocked thousands of meters above sea level.
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AR3-GP wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:03 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:10 pm
Weren’t Merc serious pole contenders here last year until they both binned their cars?
On high altitude circuits, the W13 was a bit of a rocket. The rarefaction allowed them to run the car very low without porpoising (i.e closer to their simulation performance). The W14 is a bit of a different car though. It lacks overall downforce compared to RB and possibly AMR. At high altitude I think they won't be as strong. What made them so good at altitude last year is why the car was so flawed at sea-level. They now have a car that functions properly at sea-level so they don't have the advantage of having a hidden window that could only ever be unlocked thousands of meters above sea level.
I don’t know. I know that was your theory last year. I think it had more to do with circuit (corner/speed range)/asphalt type than altitude. I think it’s rear end down downforce they lack specifically this year, and efficiency.

I actually think the W14 will be pretty good here. We’ll see.

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zibby43 wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:18 pm
AR3-GP wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:03 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:10 pm
Weren’t Merc serious pole contenders here last year until they both binned their cars?
On high altitude circuits, the W13 was a bit of a rocket. The rarefaction allowed them to run the car very low without porpoising (i.e closer to their simulation performance). The W14 is a bit of a different car though. It lacks overall downforce compared to RB and possibly AMR. At high altitude I think they won't be as strong. What made them so good at altitude last year is why the car was so flawed at sea-level. They now have a car that functions properly at sea-level so they don't have the advantage of having a hidden window that could only ever be unlocked thousands of meters above sea level.
I don’t know. I know that was your theory last year. I think it had more to do with circuit (corner/speed range)/asphalt type than altitude. I think it’s rear end down downforce they lack specifically this year, and efficiency.

I actually think the W14 will be pretty good here. We’ll see.
We will. Merc will have to buy some traction out of T1 and T3. Remember that last year the Merc was very good in slow corners too because there car was operating in a window between high downforce at low speed and wild bouncing at higher speeds. This year it's been Hamilton's #1 complaint. He said it live in cool down room in Canada and it was mentioned in Bahrain.

AMUS seems to think it's Aston who really closed in on RB. Marko thinks it's Ferrari (make of that what you will...)
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Marko has generally been fairly right in what he’s made of other teams closing the gaps.
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So is this a front or rear limited circuit? RBR has shown to be unbeatable in rear limited ones while in front limited tracks, Merc and Ferrari have been closer.

Rear limited tracks thus far : - Bahrain, Saudi, Miami
Front limited circuits thus far :- Baku, Australia, Spain
I am not sure where Canada and Monaco fall

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It’s rear limited

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RBR is rear-limited, as were Monaco and Canada. Ferrari will almost certainly be strong here again