2023 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 03 - 05

[chrisc90]

The photo from the stands shows the start finish line. It’s the only line across the track.

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The photo from the stands shows the start finish line. It’s the only line across the track.

no. Here you can see it from Perez' onboard. Left side is the line which counts, right side the one from your photo

[chrisc90]

Ahhh, one of those style tracks. Wonder why. Never makes any sense. I believe silverstone is the same?

[TimW]

so you really think they rigged the photo finish?!

It looks absolutely the same from Perez' onboard.

https://i.imgur.com/jmFMZQs.png

Except that is not a photo finish, but a render.

Asphalt is not that colorful, and those horizontal lines, drawn to show movement, are completely artificial

Probably drawn with real data, but that is not a photo finish

No, it's a real image, could be called "sureal" as finish line camera equipment has always produced such images. Effectively it "inverts" our conventional thinking of photography by moving the camera recording device/media with the moving subject (while the device itself stays still and at 90 degree to subject).....making it look static....while letting the track surface move in relation to that image device, colour purity of static surface is sacrificed often to facilitate correct exposure of moving target.

It used to be done with film cameras by moving the film laterally at the same speed as target, but likely electronic sampling now from a static image plane device.

Looks distorted, but is a true image. A specialised area of imaging thats pretty unique.

To my knowledge they use line scan cameras (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-scan_camera) for this. So it is a line scan of the finish line, that scans the cars passing.
If pointed at the white line, the entire background would thus be white. If cars pass a different speed, one would appear longer than the other.

[Juzh]

Ahhh, one of those style tracks. Wonder why. Never makes any sense. I believe silverstone is the same?

"one of those" is actually vast majority of cases, and it is this way because actual start finish line (the control line) is aligned with pit entry. On some track this line is a loong way before the grid.

[cplchanb]

Ahhh, one of those style tracks. Wonder why. Never makes any sense. I believe silverstone is the same?

"one of those" is actually vast majority of cases, and it is this way because actual start finish line (the control line) is aligned with pit entry. On some track this line is a loong way before the grid.

yup. i think the only tracks in recent years that have a very long straight to the control line is australia, paul ricard and portimao (correct me if im wrong)

[piast9]

They published this:

But that doesn't say anything. Possibly add fuel to the fire that something is going on. In the comments a screenshot from the distance, they look closer than a car length.

so you really think they rigged the photo finish?!

It looks absolutely the same from Perez' onboard.

https://i.imgur.com/jmFMZQs.png

Except that is not a photo finish, but a render.

Asphalt is not that colorful, and those horizontal lines, drawn to show movement, are completely artificial

Probably drawn with real data, but that is not a photo finish

Guys, a car doing 300 km/h travels about 4,5 m in 0.053s. It's basic physics. Render or not it was just a bit less than a car length.

[Sieper]

You get the same effect in bicycle racing photofinish.

Cool how much 0.053 still is. At live speed in the distant camera angle I could not tell who had won the duel.

Great battle made possible by Checo going to deep into turn 1, but also a really great fight at the end of the drs zone. Much respect but a hard as nails battle, perfect.

[Juzh]

Ahhh, one of those style tracks. Wonder why. Never makes any sense. I believe silverstone is the same?

"one of those" is actually vast majority of cases, and it is this way because actual start finish line (the control line) is aligned with pit entry. On some track this line is a loong way before the grid.

yup. i think the only tracks in recent years that have a very long straight to the control line is australia, paul ricard and portimao (correct me if im wrong)

its only melbourne. portimao is before the grid, and paul ricard is strangely enough further ahead than the grid itself

[CHT]

Having Toto and LH dissing the W14 during post-race interviews is certainly not helpful and it could even be bad for the morale of people working at the factory. Though not winning the championship, Merc should at least finish 2nd in the WCC, and of course, Toto will credit that to LH driving the W14.

With Mike Elliot out and Lewis and Toto trying to influence the direction of the design team, my concern is that this may actually lead the team astray while trying to achieve the impossible goal of beating RBR in 2024 for the interest of 1 driver.

Somehow I have a feeling that Toto may be planning to sell his stake in Merc F1 when Lewis retire.

[TFSA]

Having Toto and LH dissing the W14 during post-race interviews is certainly not helpful and it could even be bad for the morale of people working at the factory. Though not winning the championship, Merc should at least finish 2nd in the WCC, and of course, Toto will credit that to LH driving the W14.

I wouldn't be reading too much into that. Hamilton is often disagreeing with himself even, switching between complaining that the car is sh*t, and they can't wait to see it off at the end of the season, and at the same time saying he's still aiming to win a race in 2023 (this was of course before the Brazil disaster).

It just seems to me like Mercedes is in no-mansland right now. But the point I'm making is: Don't take anything they say at face value.

[CHT]

Having Toto and LH dissing the W14 during post-race interviews is certainly not helpful and it could even be bad for the morale of people working at the factory. Though not winning the championship, Merc should at least finish 2nd in the WCC, and of course, Toto will credit that to LH driving the W14.

I wouldn't be reading too much into that. Hamilton is often disagreeing with himself even, switching between complaining that the car is sh*t, and they can't wait to see it off at the end of the season, and at the same time saying he's still aiming to win a race in 2023 (this was of course before the Brazil disaster).

It just seems to me like Mercedes is in no-mansland right now. But the point I'm making is: Don't take anything they say at face value.

I have to say that Merc is going through uncharted territory at the moment and neither Toto nor LH have actually gone through such a long winless dry spell. As captain of the team, Toto will need to demonstrate some calm and patience instead of pushing the team members to deliver the impossible all for the sake of 1 driver's dream and glory of 8th WDC.

As team leader I think Toto need to put the team's long term interest above short term needs.

[Andres125sx]

so you really think they rigged the photo finish?!

It looks absolutely the same from Perez' onboard.

https://i.imgur.com/jmFMZQs.png

Except that is not a photo finish, but a render.

Asphalt is not that colorful, and those horizontal lines, drawn to show movement, are completely artificial

Probably drawn with real data, but that is not a photo finish

Guys, a car doing 300 km/h travels about 4,5 m in 0.053s. It's basic physics. Render or not it was just a bit less than a car length.

Wich is the reason I said it´s probably drawn with real data.

Anycase according with what TimW said about finish line cameras, looks like the asphalt is the only "drawn" part to provide some realism, as the real picture will show a white background wich will not look real

[ValeVida46]

After watching multiple failed attempts, Red Bull began coaching Perez in his attack.

Here are some of the key messages between Hugh Bird (Perez’s race engineer) and the 6-time race winner:

Bird: “Try a bit wider at the apex, Turn 12. Wait for traction, get that exit.

Bird: “Follow Fernando’s line, Turn 10 and Turn 12.

Perez: “No. If I follow his line, I get into the dirty air.”

Bird: “Okay, well focus on the exit of 12. Give up a bit on the entry, focus on the exit.”

[Juzh]

And what is the point of the last tweet? Dudes just ignorant, probably came with DTS crowd and doesnt know/remember 2016 happened