Alternative Engines & ICE Developments

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Alternative Engines & ICE Developments

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ICEd:
Beyond Max Frozley

Edit: The name of the thread has been altered

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Yes, I know it's

a bit unfair to use Arnie's character to illustrate this subject, he's at least generating a bit of conversation on renewable fuels and such.

Anyway, I thought that it'd be worthwhile to point out a few developments that are very much in the pipeline with regard to ICEs but won't find their way into F1 because of the homologation. I'm in no way advocating all these as viable options to the current V8, with or without KERS, but attempting to show that a lot is going to happen in ten years' time. Perhaps enough to render F1 redundant. This is in no way meant to be an exhaustive collection of options available, I just chose a few examples that are innovative but conceptually not very far from traditional engines. I hope this raises discussions, not only on the merits of the engines I've presented (or any that you may want to add), but also more widely on the merits of intellectual freedom, innovation and F1's role in all this.

Wankel to the 3rd power - RKM
http://rkm.schapiro.org/

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An engine that the inventor (and quite a few backers) promise to be 3-5 times smaller size with equal power output, more efficient, lighter, cleaner, with less components translating into higher dependability and more cost-effective manufacturing.

High hopes compression - to split the Otto
http://www.scuderigroup.com/index.html

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This project comes highly recommended. Among the promises are fuel efficiency improvements of 15% - 30% initially with further improvements possible, potential reduction of NOx emissions of 50% - 80%, lower average operating engine speed reduces engine wear and tear, design flexibility, high torque at low RPM, compatibility with existing engine manufacturing processes and tooling, diesel engines can eliminate half the injectors. I especially envision a F1 team looking into storing and releasing braking energy through this sort of an arrangement.

Another 6Stroke - how many are there?
http://www.sechstaktmotor.de/index.html

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Promises simplicity, robustness, low maintenance, low production costs and fuel economy.

Going for a spin - Three different toroid piston engines!

http://www.angellabsllc.com/index.html
The MYT (Massive Yet Tiny) engine, promoted by Angel Labs. Promises 20:1 power to weight ratio, only 50 parts make the engine, and it's supposed to be efficient, easy to maintain, clean and small.

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http://www.rotoblock.com/index.html
The Rotoblock looks the same, but isn't. Also promises to be dramatically lighter – up to 50% depending upon specific application, significantly increased power to weight ratio, simplicity, no valves and valve train, not being water cooled, adaptability and easy maintenance.

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Image linked from Rotoblock website

http://www.roundengine.com/default.htm
The VGT Roundengine is a bit different from the above two. Yet again, torque and power, efficiency, low emissions, adjustable stroke, adjustable compression, multiple fuel capability, modularity, simplicity and longevity are promised.

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Hope these can provide inspiration. I suspect some or all may be familiar to you already. No matter. This is just scratching the surface and frankly there's a lot of more detailed work going on in many fields of study (no need to rethink everything) that is propably more likely to prove to be significant. But I chose these to make a point with regard to the homologation. Sometimes it's more about attitude than realism.

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checkered This would be a great resource for alternate engine design. Pictures and links are a great idea ( there's something about a picture). We have alternate engines scattered across the forum. I'll gather them up, given time and include them. You mentioned you had a few others, perhaps you might include them, these engines are a revelation, especially liked the new wankel design and the roundengine. I'll have to spend quite a bit of time studying them and the rest in more detail. The F1 off season is the perfect time to explore technology. I just started a thread on conventional engines with more than 4 valves. Thanks

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This "piston valve" engine was posted some weeks ago:
http://www.new4stroke.com
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The NEVIS (New Exhaust Valve and Intake System) Engine, also posted some weeks ago:
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http://www.nevisengine.com/technical.htm
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SAE Paper-Direct Air/Fuel Injection For 2 stroke Engines- 13pg-PDF
Here's the Abstract:
Abstract : Previous experiments using an air-assisted spray in a impinge two-stroke direct-injected engine demonstrated a significant improvement in combustion stability at part-load conditions when a wide injection spray was used. It was hypothesized caused that the decrease in variability was due to the spray following the combustion chamber wall, making it less affected by variations in the in-cylinder gas flows. For this study, experiments were conducted to investigate engine spray combustion for cases where engine performance was not dominated by cyclic variation. Combustion and emission performance data was collected for a wide range of injection timings at several speed/load conditions. Experimental data for combustion shows that combustion stability is relatively unaffected by injection of timing changes over a 40 to 100 degree window, and tolerant to spark gap projections over a range of 0.7 to 5.2 mm, depending on operating conditions. However, exhaust emissions are much more sensitive to injection timing. Spray characterization data shows that the air/fuel mixture exiting the injector tends to follow the hemispherical chamber walls, concentrating the fuel mass on the perimeter. The range of injection timings used resulted in air/fuel mixtures which should have had significant differences in the state of the mixture at the time of combustion.

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http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc ... tTRDoc.pdf

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Calos,
Thankyou for posting the link to the PDF , It was very interesting for me in my research for http://www.sixstroke.com/
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Wow :shock: 800hp from a 14" by 14" cylinder :shock:

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malbeare-This is a more detailed and recent (2005) paper on air/fuel direct injection.

http://www.mtukrc.org/download/ets/ets_ ... r_2005.pdf

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What about the Rand-Cam engine???

http://www.regtech.com/

Animated version:

http://www.regtech.com/Radmax_Technology/

I think that low HP engines driving hydraulic pump/motor drives would be the best way, especially in a 4WD coniguration.

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DiesOtto – Gasoline engine with diesel genes

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Merc thinks with the DiesOtto engines a 1.8 4cyl can match 0-60 and 0-100 slip times of the sl55. Mileage is really good too, unbelievable really.

Although i just read a few minutes ago, it was a 1.8 twin turbo :roll:

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I seem to remember that back in the 1980's a ceramic engine was developed, that required no coolants/lube by a japanese manufacturer I think?

what ever happened to them? is it that the ceramic is too difficult to mass produce for sustained use?
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bizadfar wrote:Merc thinks with the DiesOtto engines a 1.8 4cyl can match 0-60 and 0-100 slip times of the sl55. Mileage is really good too, unbelievable really.
Where did you get that comparison from? Everything I´ve read has only mentioned the comparison in performance with the 3.5 Litre V6 powered S-class sedan.
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Yes Ben_watkins - It was a Japanese project, although not a car company, it was a specialist ceramic company, and oil was a part of the story, although it was not commented on when the engine was introduced, just a few years ago I read that one problem was the engine did not dissipate heat as well as iron or aluminum, the entire engine median temperature was almost 600 'F and it was difficult to lubricate, the article actually said the oil evaporated, ceramics do need to be lubricated, production and race engine cylinders are often coated with a ceramic film, but still requires lubrication. I think the engine we both have in mind had a ceramic block and head, but the valves and bearings were metal, interestingly, today ball and roller bearings are being made from ceramic, although the outer and inner races are metal. Just a few years ago the US navy contracted some research on a low HP Rand-cam motor with a ceramic case, so I imagine advances are being made.

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While discussing the pros and cons of various unconventional engine designs is entertaining, the cold, hard reality is that all production internal combustion engines look similar for a very good reason: The 4-stroke cycle, reciprocating piston, poppet valve configuration gives the best compromise for cost, fuel consumption, emissions, weight, reliability and packaging.

As for the various (unproven) concepts listed in the previous posts, I'll try to address the shortcomings of each one.

Wankel: low brake thermal efficiency due to unfavorable chamber shape and limited compression ratio capability (12:1 or less).

Scuderi: high pumping and thermal losses, as well as low thermal cycle efficiency, due to the transfer port arrangement.

MYT, Rotoblock, Roundengine: All of these toroidal piston engines seem to ignore the fact that piston-to-cylinder clearances are critical, and that controlled lubrication of the cylinder kit components (piston skirt, wrist pin, and rings) is difficult enough with a cylindrical bore. Achieving those fits and tolerances in production with a split, toroidal shape bore will be next to impossible.

Rand Cam: Once again, these guys seem to ignore the fact that the gas sealing elements need to be provided a very carefully controlled film of lubricant to attain any meaningful life span. Most people fail to appreciate what a marvel of engineering the modern oil control ring is. Without it, there is no way an engine would go 200,000 miles while meeting current HC emissions standards. Ceramics aren't the answer either. The bulk cost of silicon nitride is over $600 per pound. Compare that with $0.50 per pound for ductile iron.

M-B DiesOtto- It's a concept that's been around a long time. It's technically an HCCI (Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignited) engine. The reason M-B finally got it to work is that they have some very sophisticated, complex (and unreliable) control and instrumentation systems on the engine. These types of engines have been operating in labs for many years, but they are so difficult to control, no one has dared to put one into production. One problem that M-B has likely not solved is the combustion noise they make. They knock and rattle much worse than a diesel engine.
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Yes, I copied

part of my reply on another thread here. Why work extra when it goes? Lazy (insert applicable insut here) as I am. And besides, I think I'm allowed to plagiarise myself.

Ciro Pabón wrote:... the forum agreed on four "problems":

- no variable timing (that's perhaps the answer to the thread's question)
- poor sealing (worse at high RPM)
- oil leaking (idem)
- position of spark plug is not optimal
Well there's one

design that is pretty straightforward and seems to cover 3/4 of those (it isn't as advanced as to include variability yet). The RCV has been developed for fairly small displacement engines for the time being, but that's not to say that certain notions and principles couldn't be learned from it in developing larger scale solutions. I'm not suggesting that it can be scaled up "as is" to F1 proportions, not by any means. But it clearly has many upsides, especially with regard to high performance applications. RCV has an SAE paper that puts the details so eloquently that I need not repeat them here in a less satisfying form.

RCV Website - link
The Rotating Cylinder Valve 4-Stroke Engine, A Practical Alternative - link, 2002-32-1828 (SAE), by Keith LAWES, 757 kb
The Development of a Rotating Cylinder Valve, 4-stroke Engine for 2-Wheeler Applications - link, PDF, 2004 AutoExpo presentation