All of F1's most road relevant technologies are banned!

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All of F1's most road relevant technologies are banned!

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The FIA is always complaining about how F1 is too expensive and the technologies are not road relevant.

Well, to me the most road relevant current technologies are traction control, ABS, and CVT's. All are of course banned. Yet regenerative braking is not.

How many cars have had traction control recently added in? Almost every car in the US at least. Same for CVT's. Only a handful have seen regenerative braking.

Grrr . . . I hate the FIA. Their agenda is environmentalist extremism branded as "road relevancy." Rubbish.

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Yes but the major leaps in CVT, ABS, TC etc have already been made. They are on normal cars because the technology has been inovated to the extent where it is cheap enough to be in passenger cars.

What is the point in spending millions of dollars on those technologies only to gain a very small amount of information... It is unlikely that there will be any furthur great leaps.

Now the way cars are going is "green" and F1 being all about the technology is the perfect place to get the major leaps done in any new inovations. They are able to spend millions, get the technology to a state where it is cheap enough to put onto passenger cars, and then move onto the next stage (electric motors, hydrogen technology etc).

That is why those are banned... It is not worthwhile using up all the millions of dollars in F1 to research an existing cheap technology, when they can spend that same money on something new... The next step.
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What's with the whole FIA thinking F1 is becoming "greener"? That's as nuts as Max is.. :mrgreen:

Any how can the night races add to the greener footprint of the sport, with the Singapore lighting taking 3.2 Mega Watts of power!?!?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/65107

It's about time the FIA admits the carbon footprint of the sport is pretty poor..
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ben_watkins wrote:What's with the whole FIA thinking F1 is becoming "greener"? That's as nuts as Max is.. :mrgreen:

Any how can the night races add to the greener footprint of the sport, with the Singapore lighting taking 3.2 Mega Watts of power!?!?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/65107

It's about time the FIA admits the carbon footprint of the sport is pretty poor..
Actually, if you accept

that "carbon credits/sequestration/offsets" works, much of F1 (and WRC for that matter) has been carbon neutral for quite a while already. The FIA started to offset F1's carbon emissions more than ten years ago, in 1997. F1's contribution has been to Fondo BioClimatico/Scolel Te project under Plan Vivo in Chiapas, Mexico. It's not the easiest of tasks to get detailed information about this online, but there's some documentation anyway. Here's a selection:

FIA Foundation feature
CarbonNeutral Co.'s PDF on Solel Te
Carbon Catalog points out Solel Te in Google Maps
Plan Vivo's Buyer Register features FIA Foundation
Autosport feature (Jonathan Noble, February 26th, 2007)
Ars Technica feature (Jonathan M. Gitlin, March 1st, 2007)

Carbon sequestration notwithstanding (and I do believe it's a worthwhile project that must continue in its own right), I firmly believe that motorsport can and will have a pivotal role in both developing and advertising carbon efficient, and eventually carbon neutral/positive, technology. This should also be incorporated in F1 event related infrastructure, the mobility of fans and even media. Of course anyone can follow FIA Foundation's example and arrange a personal carbon offset for his/her own GP weekend.

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It is not worthwhile using up all the millions of dollars in F1 to research an existing cheap technology,
The way i see it, is that they wouldn't be spending millions as they already have the items up and running and the monies already been spent.
Its not like that they will be spending big bucks to make TC work any better....TC is TC thats all there is to it..

It doesn't matter what they take away from F1 the engineers will come up with another idea to do the same job..
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IMO F1 never existed to complement road car technologies. It existed for racing custom built cars and sometimes a bit of inter-country political propoganda.

The fact that they share some parts with road cars is just a coincidence. Technology 'filtering down' to road cars is merely a side effect of the racing.
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zac510 wrote:IMO F1 never existed to complement road car technologies. It existed for racing custom built cars and sometimes a bit of inter-country political propoganda.

The fact that they share some parts with road cars is just a coincidence. Technology 'filtering down' to road cars is merely a side effect of the racing.
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If there is a motorsport category that should R&D road car technology, it should most definately be sports car racing, not open-wheel formulas such as F1.

Sure F1 can help out a bit in developing new technologies that are relevant to road cars, but it shouldn't have this task as a priority, at least as I see it.
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ben_watkins wrote:It's about time the FIA admits the carbon footprint of the sport is pretty poor..
Actually F1's carbon footprint is smaller than that of the following sports:

- Football (soccer)
- Tennis
- Golf

The reason's being (apparently) that the carbon emitted by the traveling of these sportsmen per year, is less than that emitted by F1 car's + the vehicles used to transport them etc.

Take the European Champions League, every Wednesday the top 3 teams (with about 16players plus staff) from each of the national leagues travel accros the continent to play a game of football and back - then next week they switch venues and do it again (okay I know its a simplified version) but do that for a year and that's a lot of Carbon. Remember, yes per event F1 has a huge carbon footprint, but there's only 17-20 events per year (plus tests)

On that basis I can believe the football one (maybe not the tennis or golf) but that's what I read about a year ago - I think maybe in F1 Racing magazine (not sure about that though)

Sorry I can't find a link to post or resource to name.

Finally a point to add: The point is not to reduce F1's carbon footprint as such - the point is that:
1. F1 is not viewed as an eco friendly sport - for obvious reasons. So in an increasingly eco-concious world we must accept that to get continued support we must improve this image.
2. F1 - unlike the majority of other sports - is in a fairly unique position, whereby it can actually change it's carbon footprint for the better by a fairly substantial margin. Furthermore with the amount of money spent on development in F1, it can be used to develop these technologies (such as KERS) to a point by which they can become commercially viable. KERS is a perfect case point because it keeps everyone happy:
1. Drivers - there will be a "power" or "overtake" button - woohoo!
2. Constructors - They can develop the systems to gain an advantage on track. this equates to more points, and thus more money.
3. Manufacturers - They can use this technology in their road cars - thus selling more due to their new eco-friendly image = £££ or $$$ lol
4. Bernie & The FIA - F1 is viewed as "doing its bit" to save the world - and thus gets more fans - which equals more money.
5. Max Mosley - Overtake button solves supposed overtaking problem.
6. The Fan's - point 5 having being realised Max retires. :lol:

Okay the last one's a joke - for us there's an added element of suprise and on track action, which can only be good yeah?

Basically, F1's going green because:
A - It can
B - It should
C - Everybody wins.
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mx_tifosi wrote:
zac510 wrote:IMO F1 never existed to complement road car technologies. It existed for racing custom built cars and sometimes a bit of inter-country political propoganda.

The fact that they share some parts with road cars is just a coincidence. Technology 'filtering down' to road cars is merely a side effect of the racing.
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If there is a motorsport category that should R&D road car technology, it should most definately be sports car racing, not open-wheel formulas such as F1.

Sure F1 can help out a bit in developing new technologies that are relevant to road cars, but it shouldn't have this task as a priority, at least as I see it.
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LeMans racing has taken over the category....