Should 12 Teams get Equal Start/Prize Money?

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Do You approve with equal distribution of price money?

The current points system is best retained.
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4%
There should be a minimum of 20 mil $/team.
9
38%
Equal distribution to twelve teams is right.
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58%
 
Total votes: 24

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WhiteBlue
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Should 12 Teams get Equal Start/Prize Money?

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From the Mosley letter dated 18.11.2008

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... ov1808.pdf
THE TARGET

As mentioned above, reductions of €20-€48 million per year are inadequate. In present
circumstances we need to introduce radical change before it is forced upon us. Fortunately,
Formula One is currently a business from which more than 80% of the costs can be removed
without affecting the “product” in a way which the customers (ie the public world-wide) would
notice.

In order to ensure the survival of the Formula One World Championship with confidence, we
believe that costs must come down to the point where the income from FOM, split among 12
teams, will cover all a team’s costs except for the power train, the drivers and marketing.
If
expenditure exceeds this level by anything other than a marginal amount, we cannot be
confident that enough of the current teams will survive to ensure a viable championship.

When we enter the era of a new, low-cost, high-tech engine (2013 or later, depending on the
state of the motor industry), we would expect the manufacturers to help us frame regulations to
ensure that the research and development associated with the new engine is useful for their
core business. The regulations should also ensure that the cost per kilometre of operating the
new engine is far lower than today’s cost.
Last edited by WhiteBlue on 06 Dec 2008, 00:20, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: Price money to be distributed equally to 12 teams?

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It'll be incredible if they manage that AND keep people interested..

And actually, when I think about it having a sport that is, in terms of cash, self sufficient, could be a good thing.

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Equal shares is right thing to do I believe. Whether they manage to keep that figure high enough for F1 to stay the pinnacle of autosport is debatable...

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Ciro Pabón
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Simple: yes.
Ciro

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WhiteBlue
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so far the usual Darwinists are suspiciously absent from the poll :wink:
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With F1 as a club with a limitation on membership and a 50 MUSD entry-fee, it seems quite obvious to me that ALL revenues should be shared equally.

But the first thing to do, equally obvious, is to cut out the profiteers. Now would be a good time.
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WhiteBlue wrote:so far the usual Darwinists are suspiciously absent from the poll :wink:
It is not a prize fund if all the prizes are the same.

SO I suppose what is the function of this money - is it start money? If so, then yes, equally shared.

If it is Prize money (I am sure you meant this rather than price?) then it should be weighted so that those who perform well get a larger share.

Regarding money - what about the "Ferrari Fund" bonus that the Scuderia get? Is it to be banned or are they not special any more?

"All teams are equal, some are more equal than others" :wtf:
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The *Title* should be the prize.
- Axle

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axle wrote:The *Title* should be the prize.
Well..it is not a prize then if you get it just for entering. What happened to this being a competition?
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CMSMJ1 wrote:
axle wrote:The *Title* should be the prize.
Well..it is not a prize then if you get it just for entering. What happened to this being a competition?
You've lost me...

The money should be for competing...all cars are on the grid making it a race...the winners should only need the glory of the title/championship...not more money.

But humans are greedy and feel they need status to be rewarded further and so my utopian version will never happen.
- Axle

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My point is that we used to have start money which was agreed between entarnts and the organisers.

Once upona time the teams with the best drivbers negotioated better start money for themselves and we had disparity.

We then got FOCA, Max and Bernie - they arranged that there would be a package adn we could guarantee a set amount of F1 cars and stars to drive them for each event.

This made all teams equal that had an entry. They were all paid by Bernie who had a contract with the circuits.

This arrangement became skewed into the current arrangement where Bernie screwed the circuits and the teams were paid a proportional amount dependant on their position in the top 10 of the previous year championship. along with travel perks etc.

The question ot equal entry fees is simple - of course it should be equal. All teams contribute equally to the show.

If we are talking prizes then the definition of a prize is that you win it or earn it. If you have to earn something and win then it follows that if you are the winner there should be a distinction between you and the loser...and the distinction in F1 is more money.

Apologies in advance if that post seems off = not my intention..just trying to point out that there is a difference bewteen the money for being involved and the money for winning :D
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The priority should be the safe guarding of the sporting aspect of the championship. That has been pushed to the back ground for a long time to emphasize business elements.

Now the pendulum has swung around and the sporting spectacle is threatened. The big teams have enough income from sponsors and parent companies. The start money aspect should be emphasized and not the prize money.

There are enough incentives to win the championship. If Bernie wants to give some of the money back that he has robbed from the FIA and the teams that can be used for prize money.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best .............................. organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)

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WhiteBlue wrote:There are enough incentives to win the championship. If Bernie wants to give some of the money back that he has robbed from the FIA and the teams that can be used for prize money.

Like what?

What incentive does a team have to go for 4th rather than for 8th if the money they earn is the same?
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I'd go with a compromise. Split like 70% of the prize money equally to keep underdogs alive, with other 30% left for bonuses: the so called 'Constructor' Championship and race podium position prizes too.

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Since there is no show without a minimum number of entrants, all entrants should share equally in a specified pot of money -- starting money.

Another, totally separate pot of money should reward performance, with higher placing cars getting more than those that do not compete so successfully.

I must be missing something (?), because the above two statements seems so sensible that I have hesitated to post them. :?
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