When determining inlet trumpet diameter, would you want the largest diameter alowed by the rules?
At 18K+ RPM, I assume a venturi will be to restrictive to provide any gains?
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Are they allowed to change that?ISLAMATRON wrote:So the trumpets will be getting a little longer this offseason
Yes those and the injectorsackzsel wrote:Are they allowed to change that?ISLAMATRON wrote:So the trumpets will be getting a little longer this offseason
Not only in use, but quite common. The Toyota Tundra (and many other production vehicles) has a dual path intake manifold. Probably far too complex for F1.In the end, it's clear from the equation (I hope) that for faster traveling waves, a shorter pipe is needed. I wonder if you could construct a manifold with an "extra path". This extra-path could be controlled by a valve, which could be opened or closed depending on RPM. Has this ever been tried? Is it legal? Would it be useful?
LJK Setright has a brilliant explanation of how harmonics applies to high performance exhaust systems in The Grand Prix Car 1954-1966. I use the term "brilliant" NOT because our more technically astute readers will learn from it, but because failed engineers like me can understand it! (He even explains the theory as it applies to reverse cone exhausts often used on small displacement engines.On the other side, I read about "organ pipe theory" (but I did not used it).
What I got from organ pipes is this:
When the cylinder goes down, the pressure in the intake drops, thus an "expansion wave" is produced. This wave travels through the intake up until the junction where all the individual intakes begin. There, the wave "sees" a larger area and it reflects. This reflected wave becomes a compression one. This compression wave travels down the intake, "in reverse". The key is to dimension the intake in such a way that this compression wave arrives to the intake valve right when the valve closes, so this wave will help to "fill" the cylinder. Waves move at the speed of sound, so for you to get this effect you have to be very precise about the length of the trumpet.
To answer your question Ciro yes it has been tried, and yes it has been banned. This is useful because it would help make a maximum torque curve throughout the rev range, some production performance automobil's have these type of variable runner length systems. It think so BMW had one a few years ago that was not like what you described as a valve changing runner length, but that it was contiuosly variable, in other words it had a minimum and maximum runner length and anything in between, I'll see if I can find details....In the end, it's clear from the equation (I hope) that for faster traveling waves, a shorter pipe is needed. I wonder if you could construct a manifold with an "extra path". This extra-path could be controlled by a valve, which could be opened or closed depending on RPM. Has this ever been tried? Is it legal? Would it be useful?
yes it is, for F1 at least.timbo wrote:I think that considering that airbox creates additional pressure when vehicle goes at max speed, trumper length must be greater (since velocity of sound is higher at higher pressure)?
Anyone knows whether this effect is considered when choosing trumpet length?
That wouldn't be a Trumpet.... That would be a Trombone!lkocev wrote:To answer your question Ciro yes it has been tried, and yes it has been banned. This is useful because it would help make a maximum torque curve throughout the rev range, some production performance automobil's have these type of variable runner length systems. It think so BMW had one a few years ago that was not like what you described as a valve changing runner length, but that it was contiuosly variable, in other words it had a minimum and maximum runner length and anything in between, I'll see if I can find details....In the end, it's clear from the equation (I hope) that for faster traveling waves, a shorter pipe is needed. I wonder if you could construct a manifold with an "extra path". This extra-path could be controlled by a valve, which could be opened or closed depending on RPM. Has this ever been tried? Is it legal? Would it be useful?