The deal includes 2 years of free Merc engines(which I'm sure they want the same spec) as the works team, so deal or no deal McLaren will be running Merc engines until 2011.myurr wrote:It's all speculation but my guess is that unless Mercedes bite the bullet and agree to some spectacularly bad terms for an early pull out, that McLaren will use Mercedes power until the next change in engine formula (which I think is at the same time as the current deal runs out anyway). In the background they'll buy BMW's engine department and start early R&D on the new engine, aiming to get the march on the rest of the field. They'll also expand the engine dept so that they can build their road car engines there.
If it does pan out in that kind of direction then we really could see McLaren going head to head with Ferrari on the track and on the road, with a similar business model and long term strategy.
Isn't it part of Mercedes' reasoning that they want a controlling stake in a formula one team? And this is where Ross Brawn is willing to be bought out, whereas McLaren never would be.ISLAMATRON wrote:All of this why? Because Merc wants German drivers? It would have been cheaper to put MS in a McLaren.
Branding, I would guess. I'm sure that Brawn GP would be happy to be called Mercedes, whereas the McLaren name is here to stay.ISLAMATRON wrote:Guess so, but didnt they know that going into the deal with McLaren, now they are going to have to pay a very large amount to get out of the deal.
What is it they will gain(in terms over control of the team) by shifting behind Brawn? If they desperately needed a german driver they could have easily placed Nico at McLaren. Just overall bad business planning by Merc at every angle of this... But McLaren might be coming out of all this smiling.
Incosistant drivers too... Vettel or Webber have hardly been the JB of this year.horse wrote:It doesn't surprise me if this is the case that Red Bull are sticking with Renault. I'm sure the rhetoric towards Renault from Red Bull has changed dramatically from when Christian Horner couldn't stop proclaiming "our weakness" (an obvious reference to the engine) is what cost them in Monza.
Theire shareholding arrangement would, without any doubt, include the absolute rights for the original McLaren share-owners to buy back any shares in the event of the partners wanting to split.WhiteBlue wrote:...In that case Ron and Mansour will probably have no control over the sale of the Merc shares. A new and unfriendly majority owner with a different strategic direction...
myurr wrote:If McLaren did buy BMW's engine dept would they then be exempt from the homologation rules until the engine is first raced?
The answer to that question id say would be yes. Meaning they could make all the improvements they would need un-justified. But something says that they wouldnt as i think what BMW are doing is taking the engine department appart, then putting 20-40% of its staff in its other race engine plants for improvements in those areas. Then i think they rest will be taken into the busom of other teams, one being McLaren.axle wrote:BMW have stated that the Engine division is not for sale as a whole, but that they expect people to be rehoused in BMW itself + other teams.