Driving styles

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raymondu999
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Hey all. An article caught my eye recently. We know we all talk about who's agressive vs smooth and I believe there's great controversy and debate over that. However, how about car balance? I was reading an article and it was making statements such as Hamilton preferring an oversteering car and Alonso preferring an understeering car. Now I understand that good drivers would probably be able to adapt to any kind of car balance, but I also do understand that some people prefer a certain handling, probably (for example, I prefer a Mac over a PC, but I can use both) but what I'm talking about is, why is it that some prever over/understeering? What is it in the style that does this? And does anyone know who prefers which kind of car? :mrgreen:
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the same reason you prefer a mac. Its easier for you and you can prob do things quicker on it

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Somebody like Bourdais or Nakajima would use a mac. People like Alonso ,Schumacher and us here at F1-technical would use a PC. The real big man's machine. 8)
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maybe you can give us all a link to that article please

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I know you are a good humored chap n_smilke, so if you want to relate it that way, I'll throw you a bone.

Since Mac has an exclusive deal to get the fastest CPU's first from Intel, usually for at least 3-6 months before HP and company get them, you must mean that Bourdais and Nakajima had the best engines, and the chassis machined form a solid piece of aluminum, you must mean the last three drivers you mentioned have inferior equipment, and you allude to us using that same inferior gear.

The 8 core mac pro is one of the fastest desktops available, and can take any modern video card, and run Windows natively, an just like an F1 car, I can't afford one, and am stuck with my i7-920 :)

But we might as keep living in the past when the hardware was so different. They are all PC's now, just some come shipped with OSX from the Apple.

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In many ways, a driver's experience heavily influences their "style". Although I am offering a motorcycle comparison, the logic still applies to four wheels.

Back in the 70's, in what was the premier motorcycle class, the 500 GP, most riders were neat, and avoided sliding their tires. One reason is that they raced exclusively on pavement. Then a US road racer named Kenny Roberts came along, and became a success. Kenny's past included a lot of dirt riding, mainly AMA dirt ovals.

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In riding the dirt, Kenny mastered sliding both the rear and front tires. This ability was used in his road racing, and he poineered sliding the tires.

And just like Kenny, future Formula One stars have different experiences. Some, like Michael Schumacher spent many years honing his skills in go-karts, and he prefers his cars to have the same "feel", and drive in a manner he feels comfortable with.

Gilles Villeneuve was a champion in snowmobiles (ovals) before he moved to open wheel road racing, and if anyone ever watched him or even observe picturs of him racing, he just loves to slide those rear tires.

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And for the record, Gilles was not out of control or missed his line. He hit the same spot every lap, and hung the rear end out like this every lap.
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rear tire on the grass cant be the fastest way around

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You'd think that, but no, Gilles made it work somehow :?. Plus it looks cool 8)

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Barichello mention the other day that back in the days, there was more allowance for sliding the car. I guess with the levels of down force nowadays, there is little room for definitive styles. That kinds of take away from the excitement.
I like that pic by the way. Gilles must have a lot of confidence doing that every lap.
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ringo wrote: Gilles must have a lot of confidence doing that every lap.
A little too much!
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Saying one guy likes "understeer" or one likes "oversteer" is wayyyyy too vague to be remotely accurate or worthwhile for discussion. There are varying shades of both, and they can be different with speed, with brake application, with throttle, with rapid vs slow steering inputs, whatever.

Suffice to say though, that different drivers can get around a track with nearly identical times (within 0.1s) with noticeably different driving styles. How hard they brake, where they turn in, how they get into the throttle, et cetera. Some of it may come down to comfort level.

One driver may like some noticeable high speed push if he thinks it feels more stable and "precise." Another may want the car just a tick freer because with a tight car they feel the thing just doesn't turn and they don't want to fly off the track at top speed.

Different tracks definitely require different setup and balance to get around the quickest. In stock car racing at a short track you may want a car that REALLY rotates on entry to get the car sideways for maximum aero sideforce, and to have the car pointed for early throttle application. At a super speedway on the other hand you might want the car pointed as straight as possible to shed every bit of drag you can.
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I agree wid Jersey Tom. It really is vague to simply say one driver likes understeer and the other likes oversteer as a general statement. It really does depend a lot on the circuit also. Of course, a driver may have a style which is 'better suited' to either understeer or oversteer but that doesnt really help with consistency as certain circuits will then seem frustrating to those drivers.

For example, at a circuit like Monaco, the driver may have a setup favouring slight oversteer. But if the driver cannot keep the car under control or doesnt have a style suited to working the rear end, then it will simply end up crashing.

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Great cross-discipline comparison DaveK'
I'm going to try not to over simplify this question. Of the current crop of pilots IMVHO I have made 3 or 4 distinctions. Mike and Fred seem to be able to find and hold the fastest line around the track, and hold it for an inordinate period of time, with the added bonus of understanding that you have to know the limit of the lump and feel the difference of a few hundred RPM’s to conserve the engine when necessary. Hamilton has lightning reflexes, and like Kimi balls the size of church bells. Ham’s could take it easier on his equipment, but like Kimi having top engines and race engineers, when they are directed properly they are invincible, kind of like Montoya was or could have been. Although Lewis more so than Kimi. Then you have guys like JB who spent a lot of time in slow(er) cars, that punched above their weight in, (Bulk fits into this category just not as smooth consistently)JB when handed the best car he cake-walked to the title. Fettel likes to find the shortest way around the track, and if he is lucky he will not be the next pilot to die on course since Senna. I know this sounds harsh but he is scary fast and not in the best sense of the expression. Like I said JMVHO.

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