Newest F1 regs

[ISLAMATRON]

Alot we've known or heard about... but a couple new things in there

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81432

we've known about the silly new tire rule, I think it is way too much of a penalty to the front running drivers

not posting the weights is absurd, but it is probly to protect the reps of a couple of manufacterers, specifically FErrari, with their thirsty engine.

Also, Regulation 23.1 c) states: "Powered devices which assist in lifting any part of a car are forbidden in the pit lane during a race."

And... A new rule has also been imposed stating that if a driver is slow away on the formation lap and loses places, unless he gets back into his original start position by the first safety car line, he will have to start from the pitlane.

In addition, the FIA has confirmed the parts that must be homologated before the start of the 2010 season, and cannot be replaced unless there are proper reliability or safety reasons. They are the survival cell, the principal and second roll structures, front, rear and side impact structures, the front wheel, and the rear wheel. this seems interesting

[godlameroso]

Indeed they make no mention of the floor, front and rear wings, I don't know if the diffusers since they're double are part of the rear crash structure.

[cooper-climax]

The homologation regs have been known for a while. They are present, but indicated as a change (Underlined and in blue.) in my copy of the sporting regs dated Dec 11th.

[ISLAMATRON]

There is no refuelling allowed after a car leaves the pits for the first time before a race.

Interesting new rule there... this effectively cuts out recon laps to be used as a sunday morning warmup.

[WhiteBlue]

not posting the weights is absurd, but it is probly to protect the reps of a couple of manufacterers, specifically FErrari, with their thirsty engine....

In addition, the FIA has confirmed the parts that must be homologated before the start of the 2010 season, and cannot be replaced unless there are proper reliability or safety reasons. They are the survival cell, the principal and second roll structures, front, rear and side impact structures, the front wheel, and the rear wheel. this seems interesting

Yep, someone is trying to prevent embarassment and it is not Renault.

Homologated tub will effectively prevent people from having a B' car from mid season as Gascoyne usually did. Tub must be spot on in the first shot.

[vall]

not posting the weights is absurd, but it is probly to protect the reps of a couple of manufacterers, specifically FErrari, with their thirsty engine....

In addition, the FIA has confirmed the parts that must be homologated before the start of the 2010 season, and cannot be replaced unless there are proper reliability or safety reasons. They are the survival cell, the principal and second roll structures, front, rear and side impact structures, the front wheel, and the rear wheel. this seems interesting

Yep, someone is trying to prevent embarassment and it is not Renault.

there is no point the publish the weights this year, right? The "tactic" now is to reach the final without refuelling, it is not a factor when one will enter the box etc.

[ESPImperium]

not posting the weights is absurd, but it is probly to protect the reps of a couple of manufacterers, specifically FErrari, with their thirsty engine....

In addition, the FIA has confirmed the parts that must be homologated before the start of the 2010 season, and cannot be replaced unless there are proper reliability or safety reasons. They are the survival cell, the principal and second roll structures, front, rear and side impact structures, the front wheel, and the rear wheel. this seems interesting

Yep, someone is trying to prevent embarassment and it is not Renault.

Homologated tub will effectively prevent people from having a B' car from mid season as Gascoyne usually did. Tub must be spot on in the first shot.

This will hurt many teams with the tub, Toyota and BMW Sauber over the last 2 years produced as many as 8 tubs, and Toyota were known to produce a C Spec as well, with up to 10 tubs a year. This alone will have significant cost savings in R&D and production costs. I think that teams will produce 5 chassis a year now, one for testing early season, 2 new ones for Bahrain (Use the test chassis as the T Car tub) and mid season then produce a new chassis for each driver, and use the Test tub or one of the other race tubs for the T Car tub.

Teams renowned for good tub management are Red Bull, Williams and Force India, as each one of those teams produced 4 tubs last year. Red Bull trashed 2 (Vettel in Australia and Webber in Japan) as did Force India (Sutil in China and Britian), Williams didnt trash a single one. Brawn last year produced 3 BGP001 Chassis officially, but made 2 others under Honda that were then used as show cars, so id recon that Mercedes will follow a simmilar trend as Rosberg is easy on tubs, Schumacher will get a new one mid season. Renault Produced 4, but alternate them like a woman getting dressed for a night out. Toro Rosso usually make 3 for the season, but can make an additional one if two tubs get trashed up enough.

McLaren and Ferarri usually make 6 or so, Ferarri usually give a fresh one to each driver for the start of the season, with the heaviest driver getting the new one first and the lightest getting the old one from the heaviest about 2 times a season. Last year they produced a tub in about a week as Massa trashed the 277 chassis at Hungary, Badoer and Fisi got a new fresh one as the team wanted it for saftey reasons. McLaren usually alternate tubs between drivers, but usually make 5 or 6, but they have short wheelbase ones and long wheelbase ones for the particular tracks. But if a driver gets settled with one, they leave it be usually. Alonso in Brazil was a funny one, he wanted 05 but got 03, the long wheelbase version. As 06 was given to Hamilton as Alonso trashed 06 in Japan.

Generally, i recon that 5 tubs will be the norm now. As the cost going on Toyotas 2007 figure of £600,000 for each tub for manufacture alone, not including labour and R&D costs, will really help a few teams. It could cut arround $20 million out of some budgets, but will make sure teams will be fiscally better off.

[outer_bongolia]

] ...I think that teams will produce 5 chassis a year now, one for testing early season, 2 new ones for Bahrain (Use the test chassis as the T Car tub) and mid season then produce a new chassis for each driver, and use the Test tub or one of the other race tubs for the T Car tub.

ESP... Thanks for the very informative posting.

[ESPImperium]

There has in the history in the sport, only been 2 chassis that have won a champonship, the Renault R26-03 that Alonso won the 2006 title in and the Brawn BGP001-02 that won Jenson his title last year.

Jensons chassis has many different records:

* Most Km covered by a single chassis (16136.943 KM by my records)
* Engine/Chassis record - 3 Consecutive Wins (Bahrain, Spain, Monaco)

I think that Alonsos R26 still holds the most laps led record over Jensons.

Other drivers that have has Chassis last an entire season that i know about are:

David Coulthard - Red Bull-Renault RB2-03 in 2006
Scott Speed - Toro Roso-Cosworth STR1-01 in 2006
Kazuki Nakajima - Williams-Toyota FW30-04 in 2008
Nico Rosberg - Williams-Toyota FW31-03 in 2009

Other than that, im not sure if there is any more, but im only going back as far as 2006, i may do the chassis charts for 2005 and before, but my records only date back till the start of the V8 era, excluding the V10 cosworth that STR used in 2006.

EDIT:

According to my records, Ferarri started using a new numbering system in 1970, starting with the 312B, the first of the current numbering system the 312B-001 was driven by Jacky Ickx in South Africa in 1970. The last chassis to be built by Ferarri that was raced was the F60-280 by Giancarlo Fisichella in Abu Dhabi. Thus Ferarri average roughly 7 chassis builds a year.

I recon the current F10 will be numbered the F10-281 or F10-282 or something to that effect.

[ISLAMATRON]

not posting the weights is absurd, but it is probly to protect the reps of a couple of manufacterers, specifically FErrari, with their thirsty engine....

In addition, the FIA has confirmed the parts that must be homologated before the start of the 2010 season, and cannot be replaced unless there are proper reliability or safety reasons. They are the survival cell, the principal and second roll structures, front, rear and side impact structures, the front wheel, and the rear wheel. this seems interesting

Yep, someone is trying to prevent embarassment and it is not Renault.

there is no point the publish the weights this year, right? The "tactic" now is to reach the final without refuelling, it is not a factor when one will enter the box etc.

There IS a point to publishing the weights... we can see which engines are thirstier than others(ex: Merc vs Ferrari) and which chassis are more efficient(ex: Merc vs McLaren) or which drivers are more fuel efficient than others(ex: Fred vs Bulk)... in this day with not much to analyze other than a winglet or a diffuser hole it gives the more strategic minded of us something to think about in regards to F1.

[vall]

There IS a point to publishing the weights... we can see which engines are thirstier than others(ex: Merc vs Ferrari) and which chassis are more efficient(ex: Merc vs McLaren) or which drivers are more fuel efficient than others(ex: Fred vs Bulk)... in this day with not much to analyze other than a winglet or a diffuser hole it gives the more strategic minded of us something to think about in regards to F1.

the teams may not want this info to be made available to their rivals, right?

I also did not feel it was right to publish the weights. It removes some of the unknowns and gives less excitement. Besides, it gives the rivals info about the tactic.

[ISLAMATRON]

There IS a point to publishing the weights... we can see which engines are thirstier than others(ex: Merc vs Ferrari) and which chassis are more efficient(ex: Merc vs McLaren) or which drivers are more fuel efficient than others(ex: Fred vs Bulk)... in this day with not much to analyze other than a winglet or a diffuser hole it gives the more strategic minded of us something to think about in regards to F1.

the teams may not want this info to be made available to their rivals, right?

I also did not feel it was right to publish the weights. It removes some of the unknowns and gives less excitement. Besides, it gives the rivals info about the tactic.

What tactic? Get to the end of the race? I think that is most people's tactic these days no?

If you meant last year than yes, giving away the weights could affect the teams tactics slightly, but it was mostly already set by the time the weights were published(an hour or so after qually).

Revealing the weights from this year is completely different to revealing the weights last year because of the refueling ban.

[vall]

There IS a point to publishing the weights... we can see which engines are thirstier than others(ex: Merc vs Ferrari) and which chassis are more efficient(ex: Merc vs McLaren) or which drivers are more fuel efficient than others(ex: Fred vs Bulk)... in this day with not much to analyze other than a winglet or a diffuser hole it gives the more strategic minded of us something to think about in regards to F1.

the teams may not want this info to be made available to their rivals, right?

I also did not feel it was right to publish the weights. It removes some of the unknowns and gives less excitement. Besides, it gives the rivals info about the tactic.

What tactic? Get to the end of the race? I think that is most people's tactic these days no?

If you meant last year than yes, giving away the weights could affect the teams tactics slightly, but it was mostly already set by the time the weights were published(an hour or so after qually).

Right, and this is even more true for this season. But if you know the weights, it may change the driver approach to the race. If you know the guy behind you is 3 laps shorter, then he is likely no treat and you may not push. If the guy ahead is 3 laps shorter, then the same, in a typical MS stile you will pass him in the box.

Revealing the weights from this year is completely different to revealing the weights last year because of the refueling ban.

That's clear.

[ESPImperium]

Looks like Ferarri have been reading this thread:

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pag ... mbers.aspx

[ISLAMATRON]

what does that article have to do this thread?