Will the TURBO's return destroy a big aspect of F1? (sound)

[agip]

First I want to apologize for my bad english and my almost non-existent knowledge about the world of F1.

Im just a casual F1 spectator and I want to say that the F1 sound is one of the most recognizable aspects of the sport. If you say somebody "hey, listen this engine". He/she will automatically say "that's a F1 car." It is so distinctive from every other thing in the world. The sound is F1's trademark.

So, Im not sure about what Im going to say, but, if turbos are back, the engines will be smaller of course -they dont want 4000 hp engines-. Maybe 6 cilinders and 2.0 L or something like that. But, what about our precious sound? And the revs, they will be smaller too?

I dont want to offend anyone but I dont want this sound for F1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEjkjQam6_A
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys4ukHDIvZc

I want this -or similar-:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBXUOomynxw

[DaveKillens]

Welcome to THE forum, agip. I completely agree that the sounds fo the cars is one grand aspect of Formula One that adds to the appeal and excitement.

Sadly, in this world of being politically correct, it's only a matter of time before the cars are muffled. I just hope it takes decades before this occurs.

We can argue all day about which cars produced the most appealing sounds, because each generation sounds different. Today's V-8's sound different than the previous V-10's, and there are some who proclaim the V-10's sounded nicer. And for me personally, there's nothing like the sound of a 3 liter V-12 Ferrari to make the milk curdle and the adrenalin rush.

[agip]

Of course we can argue about wich cars produce the best sound. (v12, v10, v8), but this is TURBO vs ASPIRATED. A totally different worlds in terms of sound.

Im not even thiking in going back to the glorious v12. The actual v8 sounds well -i would love higher rev limiter or no limiter at all-.

What im saying is that the cars from Turbo's era aren't really distinctive from other cars like the high rev aspirated from the '90s to now.

[Giblet]

To me:

The current V8's have a high enough rev limit, but far less going on mechanically, they don't sound chaotic enough.

The turbo 4 and 6 cylinders sounded chaotic, as they had "this thing is going explode sound".

The V12's, sounded chaotic, as there was more valve train, and more cylinders.

The v10's, sounded chaotic, as they are a naturally unbalanced engine at low revs, but hit a sweet spot in the higher range.

I like the current v8's the least, but if they were allowed to rev up to 20,000, they would be chaotic sound enough again.

Can you guess what I want in the sound of an F1 engine?

[roost89]

Probably not, no.

I'm not sure how high those Turbo'd cars run but F1 makes its current power from revs (more the better, right?)
So I think the revs would still be stupidly high but just have a turbo adding to them. Maybe a smaller engine, you'll end up with something like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjou0zRJZBE[/youtube] Admittedly, that's a tiny engine running at silly revs. Sounds like an F1 car, even though it's a MotoGP engine. Still no turbo though.

I think it also depends on the firing order. If you ever watch MotoGP. I'd give the engines a quick listen. They run different firing orders. And the engines sound quite different. Their layout may lend to this aswell.

Not sure if F1 engines can have their firing order played about with.

[hecti]

Im all for the v10
If i had the choice to go deaf by any noise, i'd choose any f1 v10, preferably the mercedes from 1999.

[Germanengineering]

First I want to apologize for my bad english and my almost non-existent knowledge about the world of F1.

Im just a casual F1 spectator and I want to say that the F1 sound is one of the most recognizable aspects of the sport. If you say somebody "hey, listen this engine". He/she will automatically say "that's a F1 car." It is so distinctive from every other thing in the world. The sound is F1's trademark.

So, Im not sure about what Im going to say, but, if turbos are back, the engines will be smaller of course -they dont want 4000 hp engines-. Maybe 6 cilinders and 2.0 L or something like that. But, what about our precious sound? And the revs, they will be smaller too?

I dont want to offend anyone but I dont want this sound for F1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEjkjQam6_A
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys4ukHDIvZc

I want this -or similar-:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBXUOomynxw

It's a great time to bring back Turbos.

[autogyro]

The only problem is discusing this sound issue with those who have only heard race engines on TV and Videos.
Unfortunately there is absolutely no comparison with live sound.
But then modern young people listen to music from little tiny silly speakers in ear pieces and mobile phones.
It is because they know nothing else and have been completely taken in by the marketing con people.
A sad and very naive group of generations.
Go out and experience reality is my suggestion.

[Belatti]

For those who dont live in a place where they have 10 F1 races in a 400Km ratio per year, like you Autogyro, let me tell that I have the V12 sound of the 412T2 so damn recorded in my mind that it will simply never fade away. It was the first F1 sound I ever heard.

My last race was in 1998 and at that time the V10s where nothing compared to the "chaotic" -like Gibs said- V12 Ferrari.

After more than 10 years of F1 sound thirst, then I went last year to the Red Bull show in Buenos Aires and the Toro Rosso painted in Red Bull scheme that Coulthard was driving had the Cosworth V10 mounted and I guess it was reving less than 16,000rpm.

Still, when I reached the place there was so many people I could not see where the car was when they started it. It began to accelerate and before I could find a spot to watch, I felt it was like hearing a bad-ass Tyranosaurus Rex from the Jurassic Park movie screaming in your ear. Makes your skin turn like a chicken and electrcity goes through your spine. Really A MONSTER!

[alelanza]

Why does the topic title seem to take for granted that turbos are coming to F1? did i miss something? I'd expect F1 would dismiss the whole world engine thing, other than that is there anything saying turbos are coming?

[Germanengineering]

For those who dont live in a place where they have 10 F1 races in a 400Km ratio per year, like you Autogyro, let me tell that I have the V12 sound of the 412T2 so damn recorded in my mind that it will simply never fade away. It was the first F1 sound I ever heard.

My last race was in 1998 and at that time the V10s where nothing compared to the "chaotic" -like Gibs said- V12 Ferrari.

After more than 10 years of F1 sound thirst, then I went last year to the Red Bull show in Buenos Aires and the Toro Rosso painted in Red Bull scheme that Coulthard was driving had the Cosworth V10 mounted and I guess it was reving less than 16,000rpm.

Still, when I reached the place there was so many people I could not see where the car was when they started it. It began to accelerate and before I could find a spot to watch, I felt it was like hearing a bad-ass Tyranosaurus Rex from the Jurassic Park movie screaming in your ear. Makes your skin turn like a chicken and electrcity goes through your spine. Really A MONSTER!

I hope one day I can experience that. When you live in America its tough to get to an F1 race. Maybe I can finally make Montreal this year.

[Giblet]

Better hurry. There is basically no accommodation left, and two days ago there was 2 grandstands filled up already.

[autogyro]

For those who dont live in a place where they have 10 F1 races in a 400Km ratio per year, like you Autogyro, let me tell that I have the V12 sound of the 412T2 so damn recorded in my mind that it will simply never fade away. It was the first F1 sound I ever heard.

My last race was in 1998 and at that time the V10s where nothing compared to the "chaotic" -like Gibs said- V12 Ferrari.

After more than 10 years of F1 sound thirst, then I went last year to the Red Bull show in Buenos Aires and the Toro Rosso painted in Red Bull scheme that Coulthard was driving had the Cosworth V10 mounted and I guess it was reving less than 16,000rpm.

Still, when I reached the place there was so many people I could not see where the car was when they started it. It began to accelerate and before I could find a spot to watch, I felt it was like hearing a bad-ass Tyranosaurus Rex from the Jurassic Park movie screaming in your ear. Makes your skin turn like a chicken and electrcity goes through your spine. Really A MONSTER!

You have given me an idea Belatti. I am sorry that you have such a limited potential to see and hear F1 cars where you are. The live sound is a major part of the experience and I have wondered for a long time now how to include this part with the inevitable changes over to alternate and electric racing. The answer is obvious.

Develop historic F1 racing to run alongside the new technology F1.

Bring back the sounds and smells of historic F1 without the huge development costs for no spin off we are today experiencing with ic only cars at the top level. This will allow the changes needed to keep F1 alive and relevent to the modern green world.

[marcush.]

unfortunatelly ,
showing of 1987/8 machinery with next to 1000Hp is really putting todays F1 into a total new and lame perspective... I guess Bernie and all others involved would be ill advised to give a direct comparison to earlier days on the same weekend.

In all honesty those where the real days of F1 engines ..I remeber those passing by at unbelievable speed on the Hockenheim Forrest Straights ...i also remember Berger taking to the grass at those speeds with two wheels as well... just frightening....

[safeaschuck]

Get to a classic GP where you can hear all the engine noises over a 50 year period. They all have an amazing quality of their own, and so will whatever comes next so stop being such worriers; stop creating these imaginary obstacles to change. One thing stands out though, maybe just for me, the earlier on in it's development cycle the more dramatic an engine sounds. Noise is wasted energy I guess, and as time goes by this is minimised. An engine type that was phased out after a couple of seasons i.e. BRM H16 would be seen as the gold standard for aural enthusiasts but the reality is, it was a bad idea.
For the select few who get to enjoy the sound in real life, of which I am lucky enough to have been one, this is a big issue. Think about the majority of money weilding F1 fans though, as is currently being discussed on other threads, for the majority of people watching telly, they dont hear the drama anyway so who cares? the FIA? non monsier! Get ready to move on people.