Schumacher/Rosberg - the 2010 season unfolds

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We are coming to the 8th GP of the 2010 season and I'm opening the second thread to chat about the returning ex-champ and his side kick. How are they doing with the new Mercedes works team?

My first thread on Michael was an invitation to bash him and I'm glad we had so many participants. Unfortunately some of the guys didn't behave and eventually our moderators decided to close the thread down. Requiescat in pace!

Obviously now we are pretty sure that the Merc this year is crap and there is little joy for the detractors in bashing the old man or his quick new team mate. But as always there are two sides to life and the less prominent role the Mercedes drivers enjoy this year might give us the chance to appreciate the finer points of their respective performances.

We all love to gossip about the drivers and this thread is meant for catching all the topics that will turn up until the end of the season about the Mercedes drivers. So here we go and I open up with an article I read on Autosport.
Autosport wrote:Schumacher now looking towards 2011

By Edd Straw and Matt Beer Thursday, June 10th 2010, 20:06 GMT

Michael Schumacher says he now regards the rest of the 2010 season as preparation for 2011, with Mercedes looking unlikely to be a factor in this year's championship battle.

The seven-time champion has yet to finish on the podium since returning to the sport, and is ninth in the championship at present - 59 points behind leader Mark Webber.

Schumacher admitted he had initially hoped to be a title contender from the outset, but was now taking a longer term view.

"You think in terms of the championship, that's what is my aim and my focus," he said. "But then at one point you understand that your package is where it is and from there on you have to do a certain programme and process and that's what we are going through.

"The year is still long. I don't think on my side that I'm really in a position to win the championship, it's more building up and organising things for what happens from next year onwards. But you never know, it's still a long year with many points to give."

He insisted he was happy with the progress Mercedes had made so far.

"We are in a build-up process with the team that is going extremely well," said Schumacher. "I'm very happy with how we work together, how we progress. We don't have the package to be in front right now, and after winter testing it was not expected to be. But when I see where we are going, it's very good."

The German added that the Mercedes had not yet allowed him to recapture the feeling he had when on his best form in his initial career.

"Sometimes you have these very special races and moments where things really fit together perfectly and we are not there yet," Schumacher said. "I know I am coming there.

"It's part of the reason that I'm doing this, to get to that point. But you need certain ingredients and we are still searching for those."
Michael and Nico are now comfortably placed at 101 and 67 respectively in the WDC odds. So none of them exceeds 2 % probability to win the championship this year. I guess these odds are bad enough to take some of the emotions out of the topic and simply discuss what is happening this year and not what was happening 1991-2006. Here we have another snippet of Michael's emotional state.
Autosport interviewing Schumacher wrote:Q. What is the main difference in your life now to how it was when you left the sport?

MS: I'm probably enjoying it a lot more because I just take the important things seriously.

Q. Is it happier to do it this way – you have less stress?

MS: I'm very happy with how the whole package of my life is going, for the family, the excitement. I've no reasons to complain at all. I feel very relaxed.

Q. Is the stress one of the ingredients that makes you faster, more hungry?

MS: No. I don't need stress!

Q. Are you faster than ever because you are more relaxed?

MS: I don't think I'm faster. I just think that I'm enjoying it more.
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WhiteBlue wrote:Obviously now we are pretty sure that the Merc this year is crap and there is little joy for the detractors in bashing the old man or his quick new team mate.
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Wasn't this already covered in the thread about Rosberg wanting or demanding or expecting fair treatment at Brawncedes?
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Simply put...

The car is nearly a second off the pace in a race so is a complete dog.

MS is now consistantly faster than his team mate, and getting faster.

The whole team have pretty much given up on 2010 and will no doubt have a good package next year designed even more so for MS, so expect him to be back on form next year.

As for "MS Bashing" get a life. Earn the same money as him or be as successful in your life and then you can comment on him in such a way. The same goes for any of the drivers.

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If the Mercedes had a working F-duct it would overcome its straight line speed deficiency
Being 13kmh down on mclaren is pathetic. It was losing this speed everytime the car was in a straight line and the F-duct deployed.

As the Mercedes suffers most from drag than any team i can see, it would benefit most from the F-duct. And if you look at the points table they arent out of it yet.

But realistically it seems they need to jack this year in and look forward to 2011 if they have a chance of making an RB7 competitor.
More could have been done.
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How is it possible to loose the thread so completely from one year to another, this is just like Lotus in 1979, aerodynamically pioneering the year before, only to fallbehind the year after. Unfathomable really, in particular when you have factory support.

Surely Schumacher xpected to step into a ready race-winner, why I doubt if he will hang on for anotherseason?
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Well as long as you can get away with putting in your best qually lap and then preventing the rest of the field from going faster by red flagging Q3, and then hold up many faster cars for the entire race, Schumi has a future and Merc will get some points. Maybe we will see more of this tactic, though I would be shocked if they pulled it off twice in a row.

I believe that if you red flag qually you should have to start tenth, to prevent such actions ..

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BreezyRacer wrote:Well as long as you can get away with putting in your best qually lap and then preventing the rest of the field from going faster by red flagging Q3, and then hold up many faster cars for the entire race, Schumi has a future and Merc will get some points. Maybe we will see more of this tactic, though I would be shocked if they pulled it off twice in a row.

I believe that if you red flag qually you should have to start tenth, to prevent such actions ..
How many Red flags did Schuey cause?
More could have been done.
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BreezyRacer wrote:I believe that if you red flag qually you should have to start tenth, to prevent such actions ..
I predict a future of HRT causing qually redflags :mrgreen:
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xpensive wrote:How is it possible to loose the thread so completely from one year to another, this is just like Lotus in 1979, aerodynamically pioneering the year before, only to fallbehind the year after. Unfathomable really, in particular when you have factory support.

Surely Schumacher xpected to step into a ready race-winner, why I doubt if he will hang on for anotherseason?
The big reason was Tyres. Brawn said they "miscalculated" the weight distribution of the car due to the nature of the tyres. He didnt go very deep in his explanation but he mention The W01 was on the outer reaches of the limits of what were possible for the tyres they thought they were going to get.

So everything so far this year has been to alleviate this problem. In conjunction with this, they are slow in a straight line! Painfully slow.... :(
So all things considered, the car is actually not that bad consdering its underlying problems. Lets see how they can overcome what is effectively a paralysing issue.
More could have been done.
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mx_tifosi wrote:Wasn't this already covered in the thread about Rosberg wanting or demanding or expecting fair treatment at Brawncedes?
The other thread had a very narrow scope. This really should be fine to discuss all Merc driver aspects of the season. As I said already it would be good to keep this on topic and refuse to go to any controversial pre 2010 issues.
xpensive wrote:Surely Schumacher xpected to step into a ready race-winner, why I doubt if he will hang on for anotherseason?


I don't think that he had such an expectation. He may have hoped for but realistically thinking there were lots of reasons why 2010 would not be as competitive as 2009 had been. The 2009 car had a ton of money and almost limitless resources to start with which isn't true for the W01. It's superiority relied on a regulation loop hole which wasn't repeatable. Even next years car may nor be a WCC contender considering the resource disadvantage compared to the other teams.

The mantra of Schumacher giving up after one season or even in the season was started from day one of his come back. I believe that this speculation has very little merit. Have a look at the man. He is comfortable with his job and relaxed. Does it really look like he will quit?
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
BreezyRacer wrote:Well as long as you can get away with putting in your best qually lap and then preventing the rest of the field from going faster by red flagging Q3, and then hold up many faster cars for the entire race, Schumi has a future and Merc will get some points. Maybe we will see more of this tactic, though I would be shocked if they pulled it off twice in a row.

I believe that if you red flag qually you should have to start tenth, to prevent such actions ..
How many Red flags did Schuey cause?
One at Turkey, where they got a 1-2 result, with Schumi leading and the much faster Renaults in toe. And just to clarify in Q3 if you red flag, you start tenth .. :P

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Schumy signed up expecting to be in a car which would win races this year. Based on last year's Brawn and the stability (I assume) they built up and pitched to him along with the Ross Brawn-factor he jumped at the chance.

He will not hang around for three years waiting for it to happen. If they're not competitive even by late next year I think he'll bail.

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Schuey is enjoying the races (with China's exception), he has no pressure, all the news are about Vettel crashing with Webber and the slow F10, in the last 3 races he finished ahead Nico and he is improving his race pace and Qualifying.

Does he want to win races? Of course, bur after 7 WDC and so many wins he has nothing to prove and no hurry.

I think he'll stay in Merc until 2013 :D
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BreezyRacer wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
BreezyRacer wrote:Well as long as you can get away with putting in your best qually lap and then preventing the rest of the field from going faster by red flagging Q3, and then hold up many faster cars for the entire race, Schumi has a future and Merc will get some points. Maybe we will see more of this tactic, though I would be shocked if they pulled it off twice in a row.

I believe that if you red flag qually you should have to start tenth, to prevent such actions ..
How many Red flags did Schuey cause?
One at Turkey, where they got a 1-2 result, with Schumi leading and the much faster Renaults in toe. And just to clarify in Q3 if you red flag, you start tenth .. :P
"much faster Renaults" :lol:
Yea right, thats why they finished behind....
More could have been done.
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