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As long as Adrian Newey is there, I can't see anyone but Red Bull having the best car for the next few years. Is there any hope of Mclaren or Ferrari outsmarting Newey? If Vettel cuts out the mistakes and his car's reliability improves, he could win multiple titles and put Hamilton, Alonso et al in the shade.
Well there was also Williams in the... 80s? 90s? I wasn't around to watch F1 then so I wouldn't know, but I know that Williams was quite dominant when Newey was there.
rfs wrote:As long as Adrian Newey is there, I can't see anyone but Red Bull having the best car for the next few years. Is there any hope of Mclaren or Ferrari outsmarting Newey? If Vettel cuts out the mistakes and his car's reliability improves, he could win multiple titles and put Hamilton, Alonso et al in the shade.
Newey was at Macca for like 9 years. They won 2 WDCs and 1 WCC.
It's not like his cars are winning every time.
And the most constant thing is change you know.
Red Bull Racing as a team could dominate the next few seasons.
Adrian NEwey is especially brillaint with major rule changes and we have a couple next year. I expect them to be at the front.
Another person who is excellent at managing major rule changes and finding unique interpretations is Ross Brawn so I expect Mercedes to be up there as well.
Ferrai under Brawn and Byrne where good at meeting that challenge but its prety obviosu since they were shoved out the door, that Ferrari has been too conservative with rul interpretation and their KERS was not very good.
I expect Ferrari to have a mediocre year in 2011.
For 2011 I see McLaren, Red BUll and MErcedes being the front runners with Renault running a close 4th and Ferrari a strong 5th. Alonso will terminate his 5 yr contract by the end of 2011 to try and get into one of the other cars.
AS for RedBull Racing not desiring to make sportscars, I can't see that it is not an option. I did a marketing analysis of the company last year and one thing that stands out is that Red Bull is very aggressive when diversifying its product portfolio outside of Soft drinks. It does notconsider RedBull airracing to be a sponsorship but a product.
Mateschitz has expressed interest in other sporrts liking America's Cup and even limited run sports car manufacture> but for that a strong link to automotive engineering is required.
Don;t be too surprised if they introduce a small 2.0L turbo charged two seat sports car aimed at the youth market in the next few years...
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Well in Newey they have a supreme technical genius. In the current WDC we know they have a superstar. We saw how Sebastian upped his game massively and in the last 5 races of the season Mark Webber just has had no answer to his qualifying or his racing. Add Ross Brawn in the mix and we'll see the 2nd coming alright
raymondu999 wrote:Ferrari 5th? Wow... where did that come from?
Ok open reflection I've realised you're right. I've been way too optimistic on their chances. Torro Rosso will whip their behinds so that Horsey will be caught up in a bull beef sandwich
Domination? No, not going to happen. Red Bull, pedantry or not, is not an F1 core company. It exists to advertise a fizzy drink.
This team is only a name change or two away from Jaguar and Stewart GP. They have been 14 years in the gestation and having recruited 2 fast drivers and the best F1 designer they have managed to win the titles.
If you want domination then you would need to have a team that won 5 of the next 10 titles. I do not see that will happen. I can imagine they'll win again, maybe more than once, but to sustain a winning streak and therefore be said to be domninating is beyond them.
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Next years car could easily be a pup given that they have been fighting for both championships right up to the season end. Look at the Ferrari last year and Merc this year. Total dogs of cars after being one of the best the previous year.
Red Bull didn't have to develop their car at the mad pace of Mclaren and Renault. They did however develop their 2009 challenger harder for the whole year, and they still managed to produce the RB6.
I suspect they will have a good car out of the gate again. Newey runs a tight ship, and won't drop the ball like he did with the mp4-18.
Before I do anything I ask myself “Would an idiot do that?” And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing. - Dwight Schrute
I feel the F60 and MP4-24 were different cases. These called for new, clean sheet designs, and so their towards-the-end development push burnt them. But with 2009-2010 and 2010-2011, I feel that it's a much more natural progression. A more developmental approach, and so most developments will be easily carried across, except for the f-duct and ddd areas.
