How close did Massa push the highly rated Raikkonen?wesley123 wrote:what an guy that Alonso, he really thinks that he is the best because he has defeated Massa, called a teamorder and lost the world title which he would have won easily on a better tactic all by himself, pure skills to screw up an good season all by yourself, I am sure no one can ever match that.
That was in Raikkonens year where he couldnt handle the car et all. in 2007 massa got shredded apart, in 2006 too, in 2009 too and the years before werent that much different.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:How close did Massa push the highly rated Raikkonen?wesley123 wrote:what an guy that Alonso, he really thinks that he is the best because he has defeated Massa, called a teamorder and lost the world title which he would have won easily on a better tactic all by himself, pure skills to screw up an good season all by yourself, I am sure no one can ever match that.
Sure he is better, but at least Massa isnt an complete asshole.Alonso is a class or two above Massa and no one can really argue that.
Thats when they all were given equal status, until 2008 when Stefano wanted Alonso to come to Ferrari and slow down Kimi when he was leading the WDC by 15 points at one point!!JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
How close did Massa push the highly rated Raikkonen?
in 2007 Ferrari team had equal status and Kimi beat Massa and got the WDC!!! even with a car which didnt suit him at all.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:When did F1 become about being Mr nice guy?
2007 shredded apart? Really? So Alonso must have smashed him this year by all accounts.
True, but the Mclarens surely were much more RELIABLE and equally FAST than the RBRs in 2010, so that evens it out.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:With all due respect in 2007, Raikkonen did not have to deal with a pair of Red Bulls AND Mclarens. So the comparison remains
Yes it's not like Massa moved over for Kimi at Interlagos.siskue2005 wrote:in 2007 Ferrari team had equal status and Kimi beat Massa and got the WDC!!!JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:When did F1 become about being Mr nice guy?
2007 shredded apart? Really? So Alonso must have smashed him this year by all accounts.
Based on what?even with a car which didnt suit him at all.
I doubt Alonso had a huge amount of input for the F10. They were designing the car when he was still at Renault.in 2010 Ferrari team gave Alonso No.1 status & he beat Massa and DIDNOT get the WDC!!even with a car which is tailor made to Alonso's liking.
Mclarens and Ferrari's in 2007 were much more evenly matched. In 2010, the Red Bull was the best car by a significant margin.siskue2005 wrote:True, but the Mclarens surely were much more RELIABLE and equally FAST than the RBRs in 2010, so that evens it out.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:With all due respect in 2007, Raikkonen did not have to deal with a pair of Red Bulls AND Mclarens. So the comparison remains